Krosya
Konicaze
Wow..this is like the most rediculous statement I have read in a long time!
Krosya
Konicaze
I suppose - it all personal preference, but Hexanon is sharper and has SMOOTHER bokeh, where is Summicron is softer (not soft, but softer) and it has a swirl in it's bokeh that Hexanon doesnt. Different - sure. Better - depends on what you like. But to say that Hex sucks?
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Astigmatism is more pronounced in the Collapsible Summicron, which is the aberration that produces swirly Bokeh. Keith's images do not bring out the effect.
Collapsible Summicron, wide-open at F2:
And one with a nearly-destroyed front element.
Bokeh is subjective. It is a by-product of the optimizations that go into a lens design. Some people love swirly Bokeh, and think clinically clean modern lenses are boring. Others want optical perfection.
Collapsible Summicron, wide-open at F2:
And one with a nearly-destroyed front element.
Bokeh is subjective. It is a by-product of the optimizations that go into a lens design. Some people love swirly Bokeh, and think clinically clean modern lenses are boring. Others want optical perfection.
Tim Gray
Well-known
Both look nice. It's a toss up for me in the first picture as to which I like more. Part of me likes the Summicron since the background isn't as blown out, but at the same time, the background is a wee bit distracting. I like the Summicron shot of the bird - the swirl is kind of neat looking. And the Hexanon looks better to me on the bike. The fuzziness in the highlights on the Summicron make me feel like my eyes are dirty The shot is high contrast enough naturally that the Hexanon's ability to deal with it just looks cleaner.
But both are nice!
The shot is high contrast enough naturally that the Hexanon's ability to deal with it just looks cleaner.But both are nice!
furcafe
Veteran
You'd probably see much more of a difference if you had shot more contrasty scenes or anything w/a bright light source in the frame. With the 2 scenes you show here, I think you probably could have gotten similar results w/a good uncoated lens, like a Sonnar from the 1930s (I've done similar comparisons between the modern Zeiss 50/1.5 Sonnar & its uncoated & single-coated ancestors). Modern glass & coatings handle flare much better, of course, & whether that's an important concern depends on your photography. For me, charming character & boke are nice & all, but they can be overwhelmed by veiling flare, etc.
aizan
Veteran
nugard, you mixed up the images in the second sample. the one that sucks is from the collapsible summicron. you got the first sample right, though. that one is from the m-hexanon. it sucks.