Housewives and rangefinder users

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Here is how I read this post, inelegantly and somewhat offensively as it was composed (including the title, which almost made me not click):

Activities and interests traditionally pursued by women tend to be devalued. These may include interests in such stereotypically "female" items related to things like fashion or beauty, or even specific items. (Witness: it's OK if it's a "camera bag," but not if it's a "purse.") In fact, the very term "housewife" is commonly taken as pejorative when it should really just be descriptive. Things that women like (or are thought to like) tend to be considered frivolous, like soap operas, romance novels (the "male" version might be Tom Clancy type books, which might be considered mass market but are rarely considered "silly"), "frocks," or hair care products.

What Magnus is pointing out here is that rangefinder users (mostly men) are just as "silly" about their various obsesssions as "housewives" are [thought to be] about theirs. This is something I also noticed when I started reading RFF. At one point in my life I frequented Usenet, and often read a group called "alt.fashion." The posters to alt.fashion are primarily (although by no means exclusively) female, and discussions include things like "What are you wearing today?" (= "What camera strap are you using/what camera are you carrying this weekend") or "What product to use for windblown hair? (= "What film/developer/whatever...") or "What are your current makeup obsessions?" (= "What gear are you coveting at the moment?") or "What I bought today" (= "What are you waiting for in the mail/what came in the mail?).

I would guess that (although I cannot assume) a majority of the men who read RFF consider things like shoes, handbags, dresses, or health and beauty aids to be frivolous. I would also guess (although I would not assume) that the primary reason for this opinion is that these are items traditionally associated with women. I think that what Magnus is pointing out is that our cameras, cases, straps, and other gear are essentially equivalent to lipstick, and that guys with cameras are not any different from gals with a new pair of high heels.
 
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uh, yeah...what Melanie said 🙂

that's how I read it too, not sure what angle the gladiolas up the keester comment was meant though.

Sure, we may be a mutual admiration society here, but some shouldn't mistake kindness for weakness.

peace
 
back alley said:
and courtesy is cool too.

search function works ok but sometimes we want a 'personal' reply.

It's one of those things forums experience.. the lifespan. I forget where I saw a humorous take on this. You get people who contribute to the forum, then at one point decide they own it, and everyone knew who comes on board they tell them to search and get pissed off. Or just do funny things like magus did 😀
 
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I think I liked Mel's post the best so far. Just my dime's worth.

I find it continually fascinating (as do some of my more outspoken forum-mates, I'm sure) that "on-line" behavior can be so much more naked and rife with affrontery than in-person behavior. I'm not surprised, of course; the relative anonymity offered by this mode of communication allows us great latitude, certainly. But the constant parade is of endless entertainment value.

In particular, during my participation in the ongoing dialogue at RFF, of which I'm perpetually thankful, I've noticed a specific kind of boldness: namely, that of the sort which is evident in this thread. Why complain about how other folks conduct other threads? Isn't the wealth of instant information (and great photography, IMHO) present on RFF enough to balance the so-called "annoyances" of other interests and styles of discussion?

I don't know; perhaps not. In any case, my questions are rhetorical.

And I don't exclude myself from this abuse of anonymity, either: in real life I'm actually a short, timid, brown-haired rabbit. And it's hunting season. So c'mon, now, really let me have it.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
If Magus finds the quality of our discourse inane, he can always help improve it or go elsewhere if it doesn't improve to his liking. I expect almost any online forum has a similar quantity of superfluousness.
 
planetjoe said:
I find it continually fascinating (as do some of my more outspoken forum-mates, I'm sure) that "on-line" behavior can be so much more naked and rife with affrontery than in-person behavior. I'm not surprised, of course; the relative anonymity offered by this mode of communication allows us great latitude, certainly. But the constant parade is of endless entertainment value.

With one exception: driving. People can be just as strange in the (perceived) anonymity of their car as in their on-line behavior.

I liked what you wrote, Melanie. With one addition: a pair of new heels is perceived differently by the other sex
than a new, extra fast lens ... (even though we male RFF members would love to think its different 🙂 )

Roland.
 
Melanie,
Got it. Excellent analysis. I almost didn't click because of the housewife thing, either. And I am not a housewife. Or a wife, for that matter 🙂.

I still tihnk I must be a bit dense, but whatever. I'll just ride along.

allan
 
I think Magnus might have been referring to a gladius, which was a type of Roman sword. I imagine quite painful up the rear end.

Melanie C - I agree with you and can see what Magnus means. The thing is - why does it have to be such a battle between the sexes? People are people the world over, and we all have our interests, we all like to talk about them. If you happen to like photography and have an interest in rangefinder cameras then it is nice to talk to like-minded people about your hobby. The internet has been a godsend to people with somewhat 'niche' interests for exactly this reason. If your interests happen to be makeup, designer handbags and the contents of Hello magazine (considerably more mainstream than rangefinders), then so be it. What's the problem?

In our household, my wife is quite a 'girly' girl and loves to read 'Hello', loves makeup and handbags and clothes, loves the pictures I take of our children, but has no interest in photography to the extent that I do. That's fine. If that is what my wife finds interesting and rewarding then I support her in that because I want to make her happy, because that is what marriage is about. I have always been a fairly 'blokey' bloke, apart from my interest in photography, and my wife supports me in the things I like to do. Occasionally we argue, a lot of the time we poke fun at each others' excesses, but mostly we just get along - and vive la difference!

Cheers, Dan
 
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So Magnus, what's up, buddy? What's bugging you?

(There's a SAturday Night Live or Blues Brothers song or Dan Akroyd bit that goes: "So what did I do to tick you off this time, ba-by?"

Wasn't Magnus who asked the forum to help him choose between an MP and M7, then which finish to get?
 
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kaiyen said:
I still tihnk I must be a bit dense, but whatever. I'll just ride along.
Um, me too. Melanie... I think you should give up on the dogs and apply your excellent behavioral insights to people... like troubled kids. Anyone who can make sense of that post is a pychological wizard, if you ask me!
 
I think Magnus is starting to celebrate Oktoberfest a little early. We should be understanding.
Kurt M.
 
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