How about a moratorium on analog trolling?

[skibeerr]

By looking at this thread I can see the X100 hype is over and we are looking for another conversation topic.

Wim

 

[MC JC86]

It's not instant.

Regardless, I meant no offense. I've been a Leica owner for a while and think (thought) the stereotype is funny.

 

[skibeerr]

I disagree... IMHO,
the irrational market hype is just the puppet strings being pulled by Fuji. They know the market well and have worked this to perfection. THAT is why I do not like the constant barrage of "wow this, wow that"...hell, it is not even here yet. How many people realize they are being manipulated by a large corporation for profit?🙂 It is just in my pesonality to not become a part of the masses. What is it, a defect or a brain injury, who knows?

But, I am perfectly capable of using any camera I have to produce what my clients want... It is definitely not because the Fuji is not a Leica that I have no desire for an X100... it just doesn't fit for me.😉

You are right about the manipulation et all, but not to perfection.
They misjudged the interest and peaked to soon, wen the production will be full steam the demand will have waned. Our attention spans are just to short.

This does not take away the fact that for me, on paper, it remains a very good camera/idea and it would fit my needs perfectly.

Wim

 

[DNG]

In response to #1 OP....
I shoot both, Film and Digital, as many do here. But this is the best film forum around.

I like how each camera records, Film has it's personality, and Digital has it's personality...Digital has superior fine detail, but film has superior tonal quality, but, it is NOT that much better... It just has a different look that digital can't deliver... well, the M9 can deliver film like results...

Each has it's uses. And each has it's strengths and weaknesses... If you know how each will render the subject, you can pick the camera that best suits the results you want.....

 

[Darshan]

Yo, this seems like an interesting thread, but I will know better after I have printed out all the posts and read them. I've been reviewing my posts on this forum lately and find that my hand-written notes give me more pleasure in the writing, something about the tactile feel of choosing a feather from the ducks in my back yard, sharpening the quill, mixing my ink, and then the real, I mean REAL feel of the pen laying down tracks on the paper. That and the fact that it s slower allows me to think through what I am going to say better -- so it is deeper, more correct, an organic part of me.

So, please send me your snail mail addresses because I am sure I will want to post a reply to the thread.:angel:

😀😀😀😀😀

 

[rovnguy]

How about a moritorium on all non-rangefinder items?

 

[former member]

We have a lot of RFF members that use a diverse selection of gear. Anywhere from large format view cameras to Minox, Leica I to Nikon F6, and from first-generation Digital to Leica M9. A broad range of experience. People get tired of stereotype behavior exhibited by fanatics on both sides.

 

[steveyork]

It seems as though, in the wake of any digicam announcement that people get excited about (e.g, X100), there is always a sharp increase in the number of people who feel it necessary to say that they don't need the fancy new whatever because their Barnack or what have you is still working great, etc. etc.

May I suggest that this is pretty much straight-up trolling? The excellence of your film camera is not relevant in a discussion of new digital photography products. I say this as someone who loves vintage and analog tech, and shot and developed film for many years. Comments like these are the equivalent of dropping by a sports forum to announce that sports is stupid and that people should read books instead. Your love of film is not relevant. It is a legitimate thing to feel, and worth talking about when the topic is, in fact, film photography, but in the context I'm describing it is the equivalent of holding up a big sign that says I AM DEEPLY INSECURE AND FEEL THREATENED BY THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. It makes you look like a jerk, and makes other people feel beleaguered and exasperated.

Let us add to this the fact that the film vs. digital debate is over. People don't actually debate it anymore. Digital won, and film now occupies a small, devoted, and one hopes semi-permanent, niche among photographers. Arguing how great it is compared to digital now feels akin to rehashing the 2004 Bush-Kerry debates. It gives other people an instant headache, and is entirely beside the point.

Film lovers, talk about the stuff all you want. I agree, it is awesome. But stop going out of your way to douse other people's enthusiasm. You are not better than they are. Your aesthetic sensibilities are not superior. You are not necessarily better photographers, or more refined in your personal tastes.

Thank you.

[/rant]

The tenor of this rant is exactly what you're complaining about. Taking shots at the film folks -- even when clothed in a thin veneer of civility -- isn't going to keep them quiet. A better question is why you care?

Free speech on a public forum is a great thing. All sides of an equation can be discussed. Sorry you get upset when you hear opinions that differ from yours.

Maybe it's not so much Analog vs. Digital that brings out the voices, but (perceived) fondlers (i.e., gear heads) versus photographers.

 

[steveyork]

This is just how forums always are, X-100 or not. RFF is considerably less contentious than many. I never understand when one person takes it upon themselves to declare moral authority and suggest not only what people should post but assume why they post it and how it makes anyone other than themselves feel. It's obvious that the Digital Vs. Film discussion is tired, ridiculous, pointless etc. etc.. The thread already seems to be turning towards that, despite ostensibly being against trolling.

Your point seems to be people shouldn't be upset about the X-100 or have an emotional reaction (I totally agree) yet you seem to be having the same or an "analog" reaction. I'm sure if you get an X-100 you'll use it to take great pictures, like the ones of yours I've already seen, but I don't think this kinda thing does anything but fuel the faux debate even more.

Bingo! I agree exactly. What I was saying (just a lot more articulate).

 

[FrankS]

How about: Keep calm and carry on.

If you see an offensive post, click on the report post icon. (the exclamation mark at the bottom left of each post)

 

[Keith]

In my opinion it is one sided and noticably so. There hasn't been a lot of new film cameras released over the last few years and the only one I can think of that did create a lot of discussion was the Bessa folder. Go back through the Bessa threads and see if you can find an instance of a digital shooter barging into the thread and rudely telling the OP that the Bessa is a complete waste of money because consumer priced digital resolution can kick it's arse!

 

[wgerrard]

Time to move on. People on this forum are using a mix of cameras. Why don't we spend our time helping each other take better pictures, no matter the platform, and much less time beating our chests?

 

[steveyork]

+2 to that.

That said, it's disappointing how many people — even here — seek to validate their choices by deprecating the equally valid choices made by others. I currently am shooting 85-90% film and I have enough film stockpiled to last 3-5 years, but I absolutely understand the appeal of digital and I am awed by some of the work being done in that medium.

+1 on this

 

[Viktor Sebastian]

[/rant]

Well stated.

Thank you for doing so.

 

[ChrisPlatt]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the OP gone exclusively digital?

Chris

 

[gavinlg]

I understand, perhaps agree with the second statement. But not the first.

People's enthusiasm for the camera is driven by valid reasons - large sensor, fast lens, a good viewfinder. Many people have been waiting years for this combination. TO dismiss their enthusiasm as passive acceptance of hype is... inaccurate.

Oh logic, sweet logic. This should be quoted as an automatic answer to every post going on about fujis 'hype machine'.

 

[robklurfield]

free speech means sometimes having to listen to things we don't or find annoying. the internet is the perfect platform for people to pontificate ad nauseum and prattle on about pet peeves and pets generally. no trolling sounds good to me. my solution is to just skip the threads I don't like. of course, I probably miss some good stuff when doing that. I'm a firm believer that photographers with some skill, creativity and vision can make fine images with whatever is in their hands. I'm not buying an X100, but I think it's great that it's already popular. if I'm trolling here, spank me.

I shoot film AND I shoot digital. I love 'em both. but, then, 25 years ago I'm guy who bought a betamax when everyone else was buying VHS, so what the hell do I know.

 

[NickTrop]

People are passionate about: 1. religion, 2. politics, 3.cameras, 4. cars 5. musical instruments ... I'm sure there are others.
This is because these "things" people associate with their identity...
In the case of cameras (for whatever reason) one agonizes over the decision of
"what to purchase"... In the "old days" people poured over photography mags...
saved, went into hock - what have you to get that Pentax K1000 (or whatever) or that lens. Literally dreamed about owning this or that camera or lens. I did. Today, people go on-line and read every post or tidbit of info and scour Flickr galleries for whatever camera.

You're a "Nikonian" or a "Leicaphile" - or your "religion" is Pentax, or Contax, or Yashica, or Olympus... There are the Nikon v. Canon wars... Of course film v. digital. blah, blah, blah... FF vs APS-C.

 

[pagpow]

MikeL and DanP --

Thanks for playing.

Giorgio

PS On a more serious note, while I agree that it is sometimes amusing/aggravating to see people trash some choices and or answer in a completely non-responsive manner, I just gotta say that I have learned a sh*tl*ad reading this forum, sometimes from off topic posts, and certainly from passionately penned rants.

I do think we can get better but I hope we don't get too organized.

Thanks all.

Pollyanna Giorgio

 

[back alley]

One more point: This is a rangefinder forum, and I'd guess that the vast majority of rangefinder cameras in the world still use film.

have you actually read ANY of the previous posts?