jusxusfanatic
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How do I determine the shutter speed on a KIEV 4? And does the ISO (outer left knob) really matter? Because mine's kinda stuck
radi(c)al_cam
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jusxusfanatic
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jusxusfanatic
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Yea but how do I decide on what shutter level I should go for!
radi(c)al_cam
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I guess there've been quite good answers in the one thread that you've — probably unknowingly — deleted, unfortunately …
Suggestion: stick to *one* thread.
And perhaps, MOD could move it into the right section, please?
jusxusfanatic
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Yea. Also, the left knob just stops turning/gets stuck after it passes 10. It stucks between 10 and 25
radi(c)al_cam
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Since your Kiev's selenium cell doesn't work (IIRC what you've written in your deleted thread?), you could use something like this: https://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet2.htm
radi(c)al_cam
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Erm, why do you operate it? Is there a film inside the camera?
As mentioned before: in your case (since the exposure meter is dead, apparently), this knob is merely the REWIND knob, and nothing else; read once again the instruction manual.
jusxusfanatic
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Thanks, and nope don't have a roll of film inside yet
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi (again),
Your first post is still there; look here:-
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157048
I don't know what experience you have of film cameras, or digital for that matter, but the shutter speed is set after you've wound on the film and cocked the shutter mechanism with the right hand knob.
Then you raise the knob and move it around to the shutter speed but please read the manual first as I am nowhere near my copy of the Kiev 4/4a manual and can't remember if the usual warning is needed.
There are usually some oddities about older cameras, speed dials and getting it wrong can wreck them. And repairs ain't cheap or quick. And (2) it would be a shame to ruin a nice camera like the Kiev.
Regards, David
Your first post is still there; look here:-
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157048
I don't know what experience you have of film cameras, or digital for that matter, but the shutter speed is set after you've wound on the film and cocked the shutter mechanism with the right hand knob.
Then you raise the knob and move it around to the shutter speed but please read the manual first as I am nowhere near my copy of the Kiev 4/4a manual and can't remember if the usual warning is needed.
There are usually some oddities about older cameras, speed dials and getting it wrong can wreck them. And repairs ain't cheap or quick. And (2) it would be a shame to ruin a nice camera like the Kiev.
Regards, David
jusxusfanatic
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Yea, thanks 
jusxusfanatic
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Still don't know what shutter to use lol. This is my very first RF and I know nothing about them
radi(c)al_cam
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Dear David,
you forgot to mention: unlike good nations — United States, Myanmar and Liberia — these Communists were promoting this completely bizarre Metric system! (A conspiracy, I suppose.)
radi(c)al_cam
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What shutter speed, you mean?
Well, as long as there is no film in the camera, you can use every possible shutter speed.
Have you read the manual meanwhile?
What cameras were you using previously?
jusxusfanatic
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What shutter speed, you mean?
Well, as long as there is no film in the camera, you can use every possible shutter speed.
Have you read the manual meanwhile?
What cameras were you using previously?
Been reading the manual. A sony a7 btw
David
I think that's good advice. It's certainly possible to alter the speeds before or after cocking the Contax/Kiev shutter. But it's definitely not a good idea to alter them if the mechanism isn't cycled between them fully, Ie. Half wound.
The problem with altering the shutter speed before cocking the shutter (mainly if you are trying to increase the time) is that it's all too easy to not keep the setting dial high enough as you change it to avoid winding the camera partly. You'd have to be unlucky but as it happens I did once get the ribbons in quite a tangle doing this while testing my Contax after changing the ribbons. Perhaps some owners could set it all day long without incident, but as it is quite easy for one's fingers to slip a little, personally, I think it's definitely safer to wind the camera first, as, this way you may change speeds to your hearts content without ever compromising the mechanism.
Just a few days ago I replaced a set of ribbons in a Contax II for a friend and in the interests of being thorough I set the speed a few times before cocking it as a fail safe to ensure it could take it, if it happened, and on one occasion managed to wind the camera on unintentionally—it's quite easy to do—probably easier if you have already fired the camera a couple of hundred times to check and adjust all the speeds, though! Got away with it that time, happily, but I seem to recall having to install another wind side ribbon into my own II after it was chewed up and spat out by the gearing, very much the worse for wear. I got a lot of practice changing Contax ribbons that day...
Cheers
Brett
radi(c)al_cam
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Exactly, dear Brett, hence in the manual:
(emph. mine)2.2.3. Selecting shutter speed
Shutter speed selection is done through the knob 6 as follows:
Raise the knob 6 by the edges (fig. 13), and turn it so that the black dot on it points to the number of the chosen shutter speed, and lower the knob back.
The advance knob should be turned clockwise before changing shutter speeds. In this state, the shutter speed can be set more correctly. The shutter speed can be set with the shutter either cocked or fired. However, it is recommended that the shutter speed be changed with the shutter cocked. If an exposure longer than 1/2 second is necessary, the knob's black point should be set against "B". The shutter will remain open as long as the shutter button is pressed, and will close only upon release. With very long exposures, the shutter button can be kept down by turning it counter clockwise. Turning back the button (red dot on the shutter and knob will align) releases it and closes the shutter.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
Right, now a couple of questions to answer your questions;
1, Have you always use the Sony on fully auto (P mode), meaning never thought about what shutter speed to use? Or were you just asking - as I thought - how to set the chosen speed?
2, Do you understand how the film is used, fed into the camera and so on? Asked because the knob etc on the left of the camera does two things A, it works the meter, if it still works, and B, the little handle in the middle winds the used film back.
Regards, David
Right, now a couple of questions to answer your questions;
1, Have you always use the Sony on fully auto (P mode), meaning never thought about what shutter speed to use? Or were you just asking - as I thought - how to set the chosen speed?
2, Do you understand how the film is used, fed into the camera and so on? Asked because the knob etc on the left of the camera does two things A, it works the meter, if it still works, and B, the little handle in the middle winds the used film back.
Regards, David
jusxusfanatic
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Yep. Everything!
jusxusfanatic
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Just loaded my first roll of film, did two test shots and it's done. But I'm worrying cos the ISO knob in my KIEV is broken. It only goes up to like 25, and I bought a 100 one, will it affect the pictures? Thanks