How do Leicas break?

IIIg

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I've owned, and used, Wetzlar Leicas since 1963 (a nice IIIc at first, with a Serenar 50/1.8) and have since acquired other Barnack jewels, some M series beauties, and some Leica reflexes (my comments today go only to the Leicaflex SL2 -I'll leave the properties of the Leica "R"'s for some other time).

I state this to present my credentials and suggest that I have a bit of practical experience with Leica hardware.

Let me begin-

1) I have some 50 years experience with Barnack Leicas. Ignoring gummy shutter escapements (old age and airborne oxygen, not a Wetzlar-origin problem); my experience is that when my Barnacks have failed, the problem was crinkly/cracked shutter curtains or flakes of trash from the internal anti-relection coating on the VF walls obscuring the VF/RF. Never had any of the basic camera mechanicals go wrong here including my Barnack IIIAs.

It is all to easy to wind film slivers, flakes, into a Barnack Leica shutter - especially if one is trimming the film leader freehand. When I knew the culprits were there, I've removed the slivers with a pair of gas pliers (best thing I had in my meager tool kit).

That being said, the camera coverings often flake and fall off. Easily remediated - "Camera Leather" has a fix and Youxin does a fine job.

2) With my Leicas M3s, the common problem has been broken springs. These have been in the self timer (which I seldom use) or the frame counter which I use all the time. After 70 years, when my DS M3s are in for service, I'll have the springs replaced as a matter of course.

The covering on a Leica M3 can also crumble to dust. Repeating myself here, see Cameraleather or let Dag or Youxin provide a replacement.

3) Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL, Leicaflex SL2.

The self timer seems to be weak on these. I pay for repairs because I enjoy using the original Leicaflex; your opinion will vary.

The prism silvering evidently flakes way on the prism of some Leicaflex SSLs. DAG has resilvered prisms available at times. Check with him, a working SL is wirth the trouble.

Never had a Leicaflex, Leicaflex SL, or Leicaflex SL2 that had a gummy shutter.

Good light all - your comments, please.
 
The prism silvering is getting faint in my M2, which I bought new around 1960 or so. About 1997 I had it CLA'd by John Van Stelten. In 2009 I bought two IIIcs, one wartime, the other post-war. The slow speeds were gummed and I had them CLA'd by John Maddox. I had my M3 CLA'd by Sherry. And I have an M5 with its L-seal still intact.

So: Not a lot of problems!
 
Years ago, I bought a used M 4 + a 35mm f2 Summicron. I mostly used it around the acreage we lived in then. It worked well, except because I am left eye dominant, I was frustrated because I felt I never realised the full benefits of the viewfinder. 🙁

But, to return to the question, I took a short commercial flight, and put the M4 in the bag I used every day in those days. (Sorry, I can't remember which bag it was, but I do know I'd never had any problems with it). I put the bag in the overhead compartment. There was nothing unusual about that compartment. When I arrived, I opened the bag and discovered the film advance lever had come off the body. I put it back on the spindle (?), and everything seemed Ok, except I never trusted the camera again - certainly I never felt I could absolutely rely on it; not like every Nikon I ever owned. They never let me down!
 
My M4 broke (years ago) trying to reload in a rush filming a basketball game when I put my thumb threw the shutter.


My friend broke his M2 when he bounced it off the sidewalk.
 
Youxin CLA'd my M3 DS - slow speeds were erratic. Now it's like a new camera. I'll be sending my M3 SS to him for the same issue. Rangefinder is crisp.

I have two Leicaflex SL's. Shutters are fine, but both have small brown spots when viewing, likely from desilvering. Metering is accurate. The combined wind lever, shutter speed dial, and release is so sensible from a user's perspective. These are really fun cameras to use and a pleasure to hold.
 
My M2 had film advance issues, like a gear tooth would slip randomly every few frames. The shutter brake also wore out.

For a pretty good list of how Leicas break, check out the repair manual!
 
I discovered years ago that you can get them from eBay already broken ... even though they aren't actually advertised as such!

😛😛😛
 
The biggest problems I've ever had with Leica's (although I've only owned M's and Barnack's) has been shutter timing at higher speeds. I've had four Barnack's over the years and three out of four have had shutter speed issues at 1/500 and 1/1000, each time with the second shutter curtain catching the first, before completing it's travel. Resulting in underexposure on one side of the negative. Also had a similar problem with an M4. Otherwise, my M3's and M6 TTL have been fault free.

Best,
-Tim
 
My IIIf doesn't look any different than when I bought it in 1963 (same with the f3.5 Elmar). I've had one CLA and one shutter with a CLA. I still like the photos better than and other 35mm I've had.
 
Not sure how Leicas break. They are said by some to be bullet proof. 🙂

Apparently the same cannot be said for Don McMullins Nikon. 😛

Apparently the slow speeds were a little bit off after this escapade.

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I've been using Leica Ms since I was a kid in the late '60s. Mostly M2 & M4 with a few M6 thrown into the mix. Never had one break. My latest black paint '67 M4 is the only one I ever had serviced.
 
I have an M3 here that's crapped itself. Locked up completely. I suspect the shutter may have ingested some light sealing material. On the plus side, it has a good viewfinder, is reasonably clean, and it was fairly cheap. I made an order from Nobu-san last night for the various tools I will need to remove the different securing rings around the body. Hopefully over Xmas/New Year I will get a chance to investigate further.
 
Youxin CLA'd my M3 DS - slow speeds were erratic. Now it's like a new camera. I'll be sending my M3 SS to him for the same issue. Rangefinder is crisp.

I have two Leicaflex SL's. Shutters are fine, but both have small brown spots when viewing, likely from desilvering. Metering is accurate. The combined wind lever, shutter speed dial, and release is so sensible from a user's perspective. These are really fun cameras to use and a pleasure to hold.
It's nice to see that Leitz weren't too proud to borrow a few design cues from Zeiss Ikon.
 
My 1965 M2 has had the broken self-timer spring, and a detached viewfinder optic (to be fair, this happened following a short, sharp knock to the lens). Also the still undiagnosed intermittent light leak.

That's it...
 
Someone please repeat the detail of the legend of the 'proper' SL that fell out of a jet, lay in the desert for months and was returned to Leitz for repair.

I don't know how much of my memory is correct (?!)
 
Not sure how Leicas break. They are said by some to be bullet proof. 🙂

Apparently the same cannot be said for Don McMullins Nikon. 😛

Apparently the slow speeds were a little bit off after this escapade.

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Not too bad, really. Looks like the rewind knob is as good as new. Tough cameras, Nikons are.
 
Someone please repeat the detail of the legend of the 'proper' SL that fell out of a jet, lay in the desert for months and was returned to Leitz for repair.

I don't know how much of my memory is correct (?!)

I believe that Leica has it on display in Wetzlar.
 
... I suspect the shutter may have ingested some light sealing material...

Hopefully not a film chip, which can do more damage.

It's nice to see that Leitz weren't too proud to borrow a few design cues from Zeiss Ikon.
Did Zeiss ever do that with a rapid wind lever, though? My Contax IIIa has the shutter speeds, wind, and release all concentric, but the wind is a knob wind.

Someone please repeat the detail of the legend of the 'proper' SL that fell out of a jet, lay in the desert for months and was returned to Leitz for repair...
A jet where the canopy, windows, or hatch can open in flight? Maybe other type of aircraft. Still... Amazing if it weren't smacked to bits. Even more awesome if they could repair it.
 
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