how has public suspicion of photographers affected street photography?

I wasn't sure as I was in a children's playground so it might be council property. So rather than reminding her of laws and telling her to call the Police I thought about my job at the college and how people can cause trouble for those who need a clean police safety check in order to work in education.

I just moved to another park and enjoyed my 'daddy day' elsewhere.
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Later that day in an empty park....
 
I was taking some pictures in an open air public parking space when a parking attendant approached me, asking what I was doing.

'Taking pictures' seemed not to be an answer for him. I had to explain the long and large of strange people photographing things other than their family reunions.... and try to remain civil. His main fear was I could be a nasty terrorist spying out something.

Since that day I tried researching the law concerning street photography here in Luxembourg.... no luck yet.
 
I wasn't sure as I was in a children's playground so it might be council property. So rather than reminding her of laws and telling her to call the Police I thought about my job at the college and how people can cause trouble for those who need a clean police safety check in order to work in education.

I just moved to another park and enjoyed my 'daddy day' elsewhere.....
OK, yes, a third good reason. What a happy shot!

Cheers,

R.
 
I'm more worried about the diminishing landscape ... people are are increasing at an alarming rate as we breed like rabbits and plunder the planet's resources. 🙁

Come to my part of California: where do they all come from? It's immediately post Great Recession, and CA is still hurting, but they just put in a 150 unit development a few miles from me.

At least there are plenty of street photography subjects.
 
New York is, I think, a relatively friendly place to street photography. (or at the very least we New Yorkers are used to diminished privacy) Even so, I've found that people respond better to my battered film nikons than my DSLRs. Also the F3 becomes a waist-level camera real fast. The camera people seem to mind the least is the Argus... its just too goofy looking.
 
With greater image saturation thanks to various internet services, plus the social aspects of many of these services, people are more concerned, and perhaps more aware of the issue of privacy. The problem is they confuse or over estimate their privacy and personality rights and forget that the act of photography in public does not violate these (in many countries - seems things get a bit tricky in some places like France and Germany, for example). It's how the images will subsequently be used that can become the issue. It's easier to try to shut down the act of photography than to trust the photographer will abide by legal image use, over which there is no easy, direct control by them.

I really do feel there is a greater suspicion of how images will be used. That is the question I have most often been asked.

Compounding this, as mentioned above, is paranoia about terrorism, etc.

Meanwhile there is a proliferation of security cameras, your phone tracks your location, advertisers know your preferences better than you do yourself... People are increasingly aware of all these intrusions in their lives, but they're all faceless and/or massive entities. The photographer is out there, alone, visible, and easy to target as yet another irritant in modern life, over which the offended subject can at least feel to have some direct influence.
 
......................... Do you remember those pics of you on the beach naked as a 3 year old taken by your parents? How many would be brave enough to take one now ?

My sister called me about 10 years ago asking where she might find a royalty free photo of a 1940's scene with a happy family next to a car parked on one of Florida's beaches. She was doing a brochure for her tourism promotion job and was over budget. I suggested that she have our youngest sister peruse our old family photo albums to see if there was something in those.

Sure enough, there was the perfect photo of our mother and the sister doing the brochure, then 3 years old and wearing only a diaper, standing next to our family 1946 Ford convertible on the sands of Daytona Beach. So that went on the cover of the brochure.

Then word got out amongst all of her domestic and international tourism promotion friends that there was a new brochure about Florida beaches that showed her, now a still attractive and well endowed mid 50ish year old, topless on the beach. Everyone requested copies and got a good laugh when they realized that the photo was over 50 years old.
 
Come to my part of California: where do they all come from? It's immediately post Great Recession, and CA is still hurting, but they just put in a 150 unit development a few miles from me.

At least there are plenty of street photography subjects.

Rscheiffler pretty much nailed it. It isn't "the intrrnet" everyone's afraid of , it's the culture of surveillance that's devrloped in the last few years that's heightened people's sensitivities.
At my birthday party a few weeks ago, I enraged a friend for taking a few snapshots of the event, when then claimed his privacy was violated just as if I had been using Google Glass. He explained his fears of them (he works at MIT and they're everywhere around Kendall Square) and not knowing what Google does with his likeness. I had to explain that he knows full well these photos aren't going anywhere but my digital photo album.
"But not Facebook," he said.


On the subject of looking less intimidating, I've often wondered about my personal appearance and trying to look unassuming without being a target as a "tourist". I've thought of dressing up when I'm out shooting, but dhole how I think a tall man in a dark suit and sunglasses probably isn't the most in inconspicuous of looks.
 
Never seen so many street photographers , the genre is very much alive while in the past it was relegated to pro and amateur photographers the new street photographer works behind several monitors and makes between 24 and 30 pictures a second. His income is rather small but watching and zooming in on babes offsets this.
 
Meanwhile there is a proliferation of security cameras, your phone tracks your location, advertisers know your preferences better than you do yourself... People are increasingly aware of all these intrusions in their lives, but they're all faceless and/or massive entities. The photographer is out there, alone, visible, and easy to target as yet another irritant in modern life, over which the offended subject can at least feel to have some direct influence.

that's a really good observation. something like doug rickard's "a new american picture" is a good example of doing street photography through a sort of surveillance. it gets around the problem of being an easy target.
 
With greater image saturation thanks to various internet services, plus the social aspects of many of these services, people are more concerned, and perhaps more aware of the issue of privacy. The problem is they confuse or over estimate their privacy and personality rights and forget that the act of photography in public does not violate these (in many countries - seems things get a bit tricky in some places like France and Germany, for example). It's how the images will subsequently be used that can become the issue. It's easier to try to shut down the act of photography than to trust the photographer will abide by legal image use, over which there is no easy, direct control by them.

I really do feel there is a greater suspicion of how images will be used. That is the question I have most often been asked.

Compounding this, as mentioned above, is paranoia about terrorism, etc.

Meanwhile there is a proliferation of security cameras, your phone tracks your location, advertisers know your preferences better than you do yourself... People are increasingly aware of all these intrusions in their lives, but they're all faceless and/or massive entities. The photographer is out there, alone, visible, and easy to target as yet another irritant in modern life, over which the offended subject can at least feel to have some direct influence.
Highlight 1: Mine doesn't

Highlight 2: Only if you buy everything on line

Cheers,

R.
 
Highlight 1: Mine doesn't

Highlight 2: Only if you buy everything on line

Cheers,

R.

Pedantic note 1: yes it does, just not with high precision.
Pedantic note 2: highly debatable if you are online at all. For example at the moment Sony are paying good money to appear on the ad pages of everywhere I go online to tell me about the A7r and their high end lenses. I googled the A7s and read reviews around release time, and worked through the lenses on Sony's site more recently as research for a post on this forum. I'm not discouraging it though because it's a nice change from the random default of winning millions of pounds.
 
New York is, I think, a relatively friendly place to street photography. (or at the very least we New Yorkers are used to diminished privacy) Even so, I've found that people respond better to my battered film nikons than my DSLRs. Also the F3 becomes a waist-level camera real fast. The camera people seem to mind the least is the Argus... its just too goofy looking.

The bigger the city, the easier it is to do candid street photography. I also find the US on the whole is one of the more open countries (in the West) towards street photography. Us Canucks are far more reserved...

Never seen so many street photographers , the genre is very much alive while in the past it was relegated to pro and amateur photographers the new street photographer works behind several monitors and makes between 24 and 30 pictures a second. His income is rather small but watching and zooming in on babes offsets this.

Honestly, outside of big festivals and parades, I don't see these sniper-types with the long telephoto lenses snapping photos of people at 24 fps.

I do agree that street photography seems more commonplace these days, especially outside of large, global cities like New York, Paris, and Tokyo. But unless a photographer is just firing non-stop from waist-level, you're not going to get 30 pictures of a scene in a second. Even with digital cameras, street photographers (not photographers on the street, there is a difference) take 2-3 shots at most of the same person doing the same thing before moving on or waiting for them to do something new.
 
Pedantic note 1: yes it does, just not with high precision.
Pedantic note 2: highly debatable if you are online at all. For example at the moment Sony are paying good money to appear on the ad pages of everywhere I go online to tell me about the A7r and their high end lenses. I googled the A7s and read reviews around release time, and worked through the lenses on Sony's site more recently as research for a post on this forum. I'm not discouraging it though because it's a nice change from the random default of winning millions of pounds.
Highlight: Really? How? I rarely use it, and when I do, I switch it on only when I want to use it. I suppose that in one sense, this means it's (probably) in a drawer somewhere at home, so it locates me in the same way my land-line does. But if I can't locate my 'phone (which I can't at the moment), I can't quite see how it can locate me.

You're right of course about advertisers clutching at straws, but again, the few material goods or indeed hotel locations that I Google say very little about my preferences. They certainly would lead any advertiser to know far less about my preferences than I know myself, and as I was arguing specifically against the assertion that "advertisers know your preferences better than you do yourself..." (you're the one who was determined to be pedantic) I'd say you're talking nonsense.

Cheers,

R.
 
Very true, but my point is that the DSLR is perceived one way (serious), the Leica another (snapshot). A great deal also depends on how quickly and smoothly you shoot. Raise the camera to your eye; shoot; put it down again (HCB's usual technique, I'm told) is very different from faffing around, removing and replacing lens caps, changing shutter speed and aperture, zooming, moving from one viewpoint to the next... The former is perceived as "snapshot", the latter as "serious" -- even though, if you know what you're doing, the exact opposite is likely to be true.

+1

This corresponds to my experience with a IIIf. I have my settings ready, put the camera to my eye, fine tune focus, frame and shoot--done, drop the camera and turn to something else. If focus isn't perfect i am not worried. If I don't get the shot then I terminate quickly.

I also find that it helps to be looking for other interesting details around me to shoot--not just shooting people. People shooting is high stress for me and I find it more natural to shoot them as part of a general 'walk around'. It is also less contrived or forced. I shoot them when I feel compelled to do so--i.e. there is really a situation that draws my attention.

I think the negative reaction I have gotten from others at times is my own nervousness reflected back to me in the form of suspicion.
 
"advertisers know your preferences better than you do yourself..."

This amuses me on websites. If you search for, let's say, a coffee machine, you'll get advertising for coffee machines. The problem is that I've now bought by coffee machine, and the advertisers are still trying to sell me a different one.

The very last thing I want is a coffee machine, I just bought one. It makes advertising probably even less effective than the random stuff.
 
I'd say you're talking nonsense.

That may or may not be true. My opinion is that, in this case, both parties are conducting a dialogue of the deaf. However, I don't think it does anyone much good to be insulting.

Scrambler is technically correct in both points but both cases are subject to provisios, such as the 'phone actually being switched on and the user visiting sites that are being tracked. Roger is correct, in that a reasonably large amount of searching via a tracking site, such as Google, is required for the predictive algorithms to build an accurate picture. The programs used, however, generally try to return some prediction, regardless of accuracy, and that prediction is sold to advertisers.

I discovered this while producing web activity statistical analysis for a large client.
 
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