How is this possible?

[mpaniagua]

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I think a part of Leica gear ownership is also emotional investment. Not all, but part.

+1 Highly agree with that last part.

 

[ellisson]

Not arquing the collector and investment value of a Stradivarious, but there had been lots of test to compare them against modern violins and guess what? Players preferred modern violins over Stradivarious.

http://www.thestrad.com/blind-tested-soloists-unable-to-tell-stradivarius-violins-from-modern-instruments/


Yes, Stradivarius violins (like Leica lens) command high prices, and yes, they hold their value (again, same as Leica Lens).

Thanks for the link. A very interesting study!

 

[pepeguitarra]

To piggy back on this question, here is another one:

To piggy back on this question, here is another one:

Couple of days ago, a Canon 50/1.2 black went all the way to $2,200 on the big bidding site and still the reserve was not met. Everywhere, I read that the black copy is the same as the silver copy of that lens. I can get the silver copy for $500 in excellent shape. Why is the black suddenly that expensive?

 

[ellisson]

Wow, that is a high price! I have a recently CLA'd silver version of the Canon 50/1.2 in great shape and I could not get $350 when I tried to sell it. On the plus side, now I'm glad I kept it!

 

[Ronald M]

Don Goldberg was one of the giants of the camera industry.

With documentation, its worth that much or more.

Look at what 1913 cameras personally assembled by Oskar B are selling for.

He comes by it naturally. I think Norman Goldberg was his father and wrote for Modern or Popular Photography 1960s.

Regardless, when these people like Don and Sherry decide to retire, we are in trouble.

 

[nikonhswebmaster]

Couple of days ago, a Canon 50/1.2 black went all the way to $2,200 on the big bidding site and still the reserve was not met. Everywhere, I read that the black copy is the same as the silver copy of that lens. I can get the silver copy for $500 in excellent shape. Why is the black suddenly that expensive?

The black copy was only made up for the black cameras. So extremely rare. I owned several black Canons, but was never able to find an all black 1.2. There is a similar all black 1.4 Nikkor for early all black S2 Nikons.

As for the Dag repaint, collectibles are worth what someone is willing to pay at the time it is sold. And as they say with mutual funds, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

 

[kb244]

"But for a repainted industrial made piece?"

That is basically the long and the short of it. Nice looking camera, but I agree, better to have a factory painted one.

This is all conjecture on my part. I always wanted something that worked like it was supposed to. What it looked like was of no consequence.

For a camera, that's the way I feel about it.

When I mentioned the analogy to the craftsmanship of a fountain pen (Say Nakaya, Namiki, or some in-house artist). That stuff is made from the ground up, from scratch, the artwork done on it is original to the brand/production. (The one shown below is about 4 grands, there's a few Nakaya, and Danitrio models that run upward to 25,000 or 50,000)

Sending off an instrument made by one company to another for a paint job... well that's no longer "original". But if it's handmade-to-order, at least it's personalized... but so is scratching it up from personal use for a couple decades.

 

[Fraser]

Couple of days ago, a Canon 50/1.2 black went all the way to $2,200 on the big bidding site and still the reserve was not met. Everywhere, I read that the black copy is the same as the silver copy of that lens. I can get the silver copy for $500 in excellent shape. Why is the black suddenly that expensive?

Cool I have a black one only paid about £350 a couple of years ago!

 

[nikonhswebmaster]

Cool I have a black one only paid about £350 a couple of years ago!

Most buyers and sellers are not even aware there is an all black version, since all of them seem black, so bargains do occur.🙂

There are other sleepers out there, like the Nikkor 50 1.4 RF in aluminum, only the weight gives it away. Or the all black, "chrome," Nikkor RF 135, very rare.

 

[David Hughes]

Hmmmm...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZORKI-2C-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Hmmmm...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZORKI-2C-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

IIRC, Ko.Fe recently explained that this is Ukrainian folklore art.

 

[philipus]

I fully agree with the below. The camera, since removed (but perhaps relisted?), is, simply, a repaint albeit by a well-known technician.

But the market is the market and fools are fools. Still I don't think it is right to talk up something that is not the real thing.

Philip

When I looked at the auction that was linked, it said the camera went for $4100. While Don is a great Leica repair technician, and has done numerous cameras for me over the years, I'm not sure I'd call him a "giant in the industry". He's a good guy who does good work, but we're not talking Oscar B here.

Who knows why people pay what they sometimes pay for things on eBay. I once was convinced by a friend to list some old motorcycle bodywork on eBay, that I had planned on just pitching in the trash, and someone gave me $1400 for it. I was flabbergasted, but as they say, "What the market will bear."

 

[mike rosenlof]

That Zorki is very cool. Not sure I would use it, but I would happily display it.

 

[nikonhswebmaster]

But the market is the market and fools are fools. Still I don't think it is right to talk up something that is not the real thing.

Philip

Well yes, but the camera in question was correctly described, no deception that I noticed. The seller, and I assume the buyer, were much more excited about the paint job than I (or you) but that is true of so many offerings in the marketplace.

I personally find repainted cameras odd, but some folks really enjoy them, and who am I to ruin their fun?