ederek
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How many shutter actuations on your M8 / M9 / RD1 ?
..and over what time period ?
The shutter on my M9 has been released 20,000 times as of this weekend. Have been carrying it every day for a little over over 4 months. So 160 frames / day, or about 4 1/2 rolls...
..and over what time period ?
The shutter on my M9 has been released 20,000 times as of this weekend. Have been carrying it every day for a little over over 4 months. So 160 frames / day, or about 4 1/2 rolls...
mathomas
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I've had it since around the beginning of this year (I bought it used on eBay). It came to me with something like 11k actuations. You're way ahead of me
I've had it since around the beginning of this year (I bought it used on eBay). It came to me with something like 11k actuations. You're way ahead of me
Roger Hicks
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Good grief! How do you find the time to process 160 pics/day?
I've shot thousands on my digi-Ms over the last 4 years, but while I'm not sure how many, I'm damn' sure it's fewer than 160/day. What do you shoot that needs so many exposures?
Cheers,
R.
I've shot thousands on my digi-Ms over the last 4 years, but while I'm not sure how many, I'm damn' sure it's fewer than 160/day. What do you shoot that needs so many exposures?
Cheers,
R.
ampguy
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Roger
Roger
clicking the shutter a lot on the digital M's keeps it in shape, think of it as cardio exercise for your camera
If you ever work in the area of legal ediscovery, you can never have too much data, no matter how little has changed, it may be relevant.
Here are some snaps I took, after the first pass of culling, by taking similar shots and bracketing to the l/r/u/d and maybe exposure too, I can always get a good image without wishing I had composed just a wee bit differently.
What do you think?
gallery here:
http://matsumura.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Grand-Palouse-Wheatscapes/13433495_KjKhU#977608374_Rj2WT
Roger
clicking the shutter a lot on the digital M's keeps it in shape, think of it as cardio exercise for your camera
If you ever work in the area of legal ediscovery, you can never have too much data, no matter how little has changed, it may be relevant.
Here are some snaps I took, after the first pass of culling, by taking similar shots and bracketing to the l/r/u/d and maybe exposure too, I can always get a good image without wishing I had composed just a wee bit differently.
What do you think?
gallery here:
http://matsumura.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Grand-Palouse-Wheatscapes/13433495_KjKhU#977608374_Rj2WT
ederek
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I don't process nearly that many, maybe on average a dozen / day. A lot of the photos are "sets" such as a show, birthday party, family visit, etc. Processing is getting better and faster with practice!
Try to get white balance, exposure & framing to acceptable level in-camera to ease the burden. Download to Lightroom, look through the images adding a "pick" flag for any that look good, then filter by the "picks", unpick similar / lesser images, then upload to a gallery and share (on average about 25 images in a set, regardless of the number shot). Just counted about 50 galleries added and shared via Smugmug using the M9.I use the M9 in varied "modes" - point-n-shoot "happy snaps", sketches, attempting a more serious photograph at times, and so on. While I shoot primarily "for me", it gives me pleasure when others enjoy the images. The vast majority of my images are "personal". Just checked facebook and a few friends had changed their profile pics to photos I shared. Have looked in the past and at a given time usually about 20-30 friends/family are using images I've shot as their profile pic (about 5-10%), plus I see them in profiles of people who aren't my friends (friends of friends).
Love it Ted! Such a nice set, felt I'd taken a visit to the Grand Palouse wheatfields during my lunch hour! If you don't mind me adding another of your photos in here, I enjoyed this part of the series with the fresh dark earth line:
ampguy
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Glad you like them
Glad you like them
I like that one (or those ...) very much too and plan to print one for the wall, and maybe on some Moo cards on my next run.
btw, that speck just above the brown fields is a bird. I realized when I took it that it was not likely going to be identifiable, which is another reason to happy snap quickly, and a lot
I am going to miss my Hexanon 28 a lot.
Glad you like them
I like that one (or those ...) very much too and plan to print one for the wall, and maybe on some Moo cards on my next run.
btw, that speck just above the brown fields is a bird. I realized when I took it that it was not likely going to be identifiable, which is another reason to happy snap quickly, and a lot
I am going to miss my Hexanon 28 a lot.
I don't process nearly that many, maybe on average a dozen / day. A lot of the photos are "sets" such as a show, birthday party, family visit, etc. Processing is getting better and faster with practice!
I use the M9 in varied "modes" - point-n-shoot "happy snaps", sketches, attempting a more serious photograph at times, and so on. While I shoot primarily "for me", it gives me pleasure when others enjoy the images. The vast majority of my images are "personal". Just checked facebook and a few friends had changed their profile pics to photos I shared. Have looked in the past and at a given time usually about 20-30 friends/family are using images I've shot as their profile pic (about 5-10%), plus I see them in profiles of people who aren't my friends (friends of friends).
ederek
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I like that one (or those ...) very much too and plan to print one for the wall, and maybe on some Moo cards on my next run.
btw, that speck just above the brown fields is a bird. I realized when I took it that it was not likely going to be identifiable, which is another reason to happy snap quickly, and a lot
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Ah, Moo cards, been meaning to order some of those!
I noticed the speck and thought dust, put finger on display and advanced to next photo, and the speck moved so realized it was an element of the scene.
So does everyone else just fondle their digital rangefinder?
ampguy
Veteran
I guess so
I guess so
Some folks are sensitive about this, but if one isn't shooting hundreds of frames a week, they might fall in the collector category, IMHO ...
I guess so
Some folks are sensitive about this, but if one isn't shooting hundreds of frames a week, they might fall in the collector category, IMHO ...
LeicaTom
Watch that step!
Leica M8 ~ I have a little bit over a year with 13k clicks .....it has to go back to Leica though, while it's developed some dead/hot pixels and also has banding at high iso. :/
Tom
Tom
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
I don't really want to know how many I have on mine. I know it will be a lot, just because it's my shooting style. I grew up in photography through the photojournalism route - and photojournalists tend to live with the belief that you shoot too much, rather than not enough.
Roger Hicks
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Really? I'd put it the other way around. Anyone who is shooting hundreds of frames a week, every week, is wasting a lot of time on processing - even if that 'processing' is only reviewing the pics in Lightroom and choosing fewer than 10%. Also, they must photograph the same thing again and again.
Yes, I always shot a lot even when I used only film: maybe 2500 shots in 10 days when I was in China a few years back, for example, using both 35mm and MF. But I didn't shoot anything yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that, as far as I recall, and I expect only to shoot a dozen or two dozen shots today, mostly in the studio. Sometimes I'll shoot nothing for a week or more. I don't believe in taking pictures for the sake of taking pictures.
Last Sunday week I shot maybe 400 pics at Sauzeau: a country fair, with haybale-tossing, donkey races, communal dinner and variety show. Reviewing them, I suspect that was probably 200-300 too many: I'd have done better to think more and shoot less, as I would with film.
Cheers,
R.
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Ben Z
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My M8 (purchased in July of '07) has around 2400 actuations, give or take. I only bought it for travel, and haven't done much of that since the economy tanked. 99% of my local photography I do with the 5D, which I like better in every way except size. That's part of the reason I'm not interested in an M9 right now, I would never get my money's worth out of it. I only shoot when I have a reason to, and then I still shoot as if it was film.
I also suppose I'm not as "in to" photography as others are. Aside from the one in my cell phone (which I've never used) the idea of carrying a camera every day just wouldn't cross my mind. I wear a watch every day, drive a car every day...those are places I feel better about disposing of my income
I also suppose I'm not as "in to" photography as others are. Aside from the one in my cell phone (which I've never used) the idea of carrying a camera every day just wouldn't cross my mind. I wear a watch every day, drive a car every day...those are places I feel better about disposing of my income
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ampguy
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hi Roger
hi Roger
I wouldn't call taking 250 photos an hour/day/week/month with 25 keepers a waste, I'd be pleased to have those 25 great photos. But that is me.
It is fine for others if they prefer shooting only on holidays, and the rest of the time just talking about photography on message boards...
hi Roger
I wouldn't call taking 250 photos an hour/day/week/month with 25 keepers a waste, I'd be pleased to have those 25 great photos. But that is me.
It is fine for others if they prefer shooting only on holidays, and the rest of the time just talking about photography on message boards...
Paul Luscher
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Not really concerned with how many clicks on my camera, but how many good shots I got. Some days good, some days not so good...
ederek
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Hmm, I probably should have been more sensitive when starting / phrasing the initial thread.
How about: How many Clicks on your digital M-body...
..when you bought it?
..when you sold it to upgrade to next model / different system?
..until it needed service?
..and is the shutter actuator still smooth?
..before it became obsolete?
..for professional versus personal use?
..were of your hamster, dog or cat?
14,325
I've had it since around the beginning of this year (I bought it used on eBay). It came to me with something like 11k actuations. You're way ahead of me
It's nice that you knew the "mileage" when buying the camera. That's one reason to keep track of # of clicks - to help if/when selling gear.
Surely style plays a large part. I identify with photojournalism, without the journalism part - maybe "Photodocumentary".
Uh oh! Do you think it is a pure matter of time, or amount of time and conditions under which the curtain is open that might be a factor?
Is there a sense of "shutter life" for Leica Digital M-bodies?
Also, is there an expectation of "sensor life" for Leica Digital M-Bodies?
I have an RD1s with probably <5000 clicks. Seem to recall that at around 100,000k it will likely need repair?
Roger, thanks for the comments. I get pleasure flipping through a set that was just captured (and it's easy to flag them as picks as you flip through). Usually do it the same day/night, almost always by the next day, and very rarely fill a card before transferring to computer (mostly only when traveling). I also learn a lot, photographically, when reviewing (the learning curve I'm on now was likely crested by you decades ago).
I would also argue that we don't spend enough time in Lightroom, looking at our pictures. I've looked through everything on more than one occasion.
Try this in a viewer such as Lightroom: view hierarchy at entire collection level, set full screen loupe mode, turn down the lights (L-key), press the right cursor - and watch the "movie".
At 5 frames / second, it takes over an hour to flip through all the images. I did this last Sunday afternoon. I've done it on segments (such as a one-week trip) more often.
MUST is a strong word, and likely an unfounded assumption for many individuals. My 4-month photo collection is more varied than you might expect, though perhaps boring relative to many folks. I try and do an interesting activity almost every day (a show, dinner party, travel, lecture, workshop, charity event, hike, sports event or competition, visit w/ family/friend, etc.). Some people watch TV..
I think you're focusing on Overshooting here, just one of the directions this thread could go. I've followed (with interest and an attempt at introspection) your Overshooting thread started back in June titled Sooner or later... (<- click to open).
Will comment further there, as there are some excellent points made by various members in that thread already (plus ampguys example here with the Grand Palouse wheatfield compositions).
I don't like my 5D "in every way except size" over the M-body - more of "on a par" or "different". But that's just me, and I can see your point. For me, the 5D is a bit better at high ISO, about on par with focusing, slower to set shutter speed / f-stop / ISO than the M (though seeing shutter speed in viewfinder is nice), has an inferior viewfinder, slightly higher hand-held shutter speed, blows away the M for macro / close focusing, and so on.
But ahhh, the SIZE! That's the #1 reason I didn't carry the 5D every day, it was the primary motivator for the M9. If I didn't care about carrying a "quality" digital with me everywhere, the 5D would be just fine and probably a better value.
My 5D is getting TONS of clicks on it lately, but that's because I've gotten into some Stop Motion / Time Lapse projects lately...
ederek
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ruslan
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M8, 87,000
I got both my M8s in early 2008, say 30 months of use.
The chrome one came first as a demo from PopFlash with 7182 actuations
About a year later I discovered the vertical line problem, and with PopFlash's excellent handling, it was fixed by Leica USA, also getting the slower shutter and larger frameline mask. Now it has 8885 clicks, so I've given it 1703.
The black M8 came as a used camera from a private party with 1197 clicks, and now has 1845, so I've added 648. It went along on a couple trips as an unused "backup body".
I use other cameras too, including film. I use a digital camera exactly as I use a film camera, making each shot count, and seldom shooting more than one or two shots before moving on to another setting. I leave the LCD turned off; I review later on the laptop. When I travel, photography is a major emphasis, and then I average 1 roll of film per day, whether 35mm or 220, or the equivalent number of digital exposures.
I'm not convinced I would get more "keepers" if I shot more exposures; the percentage is already low!
The chrome one came first as a demo from PopFlash with 7182 actuations
About a year later I discovered the vertical line problem, and with PopFlash's excellent handling, it was fixed by Leica USA, also getting the slower shutter and larger frameline mask. Now it has 8885 clicks, so I've given it 1703.
The black M8 came as a used camera from a private party with 1197 clicks, and now has 1845, so I've added 648. It went along on a couple trips as an unused "backup body".
I use other cameras too, including film. I use a digital camera exactly as I use a film camera, making each shot count, and seldom shooting more than one or two shots before moving on to another setting. I leave the LCD turned off; I review later on the laptop. When I travel, photography is a major emphasis, and then I average 1 roll of film per day, whether 35mm or 220, or the equivalent number of digital exposures.
I'm not convinced I would get more "keepers" if I shot more exposures; the percentage is already low!
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Ben Z
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It is fine for others if they prefer shooting only on holidays, and the rest of the time just talking about photography on message boards...
You're entitled to look at others in a way that makes you feel better about yourself...I suppose we're all guilty of it at one time or another.. As for me, I consider the time I spend on message boards making new friends and learning new things about photography (such as post-processing workflow tips and techniques for one example) just as productive, if not more, than if I went out every day asserting that my photographic skill is in direct proportion to the number of clicks on my camera.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
I've never understood this preoccupation some people have with counting clicks. (Unless you are simply wondering how much wear a shutter has had before buying a camera)
If you shoot a lot, someone will call it "spraying and praying."
If you don't shoot a lot, someone will accuse you of being a fondler or collector.
In some ways, it's very similar to the one-lens/multi-lens debate.
But the fact is, different approaches work for different people. I can't fathom a time when I'd go on vacation and shoot the equivalent of one roll of film a day. Even when I was shooting film, I'd knock off 6-8 rolls each day of a trip. (I shoot more now that I'm using digital).
Yet, I'm sure the slower, measured approach works very well for others. Just not for me.
To me, it's just short of insane to suggest that either approach represents a step on any path toward great photography. Just do what works for you and enjoy it.
If you shoot a lot, someone will call it "spraying and praying."
If you don't shoot a lot, someone will accuse you of being a fondler or collector.
In some ways, it's very similar to the one-lens/multi-lens debate.
But the fact is, different approaches work for different people. I can't fathom a time when I'd go on vacation and shoot the equivalent of one roll of film a day. Even when I was shooting film, I'd knock off 6-8 rolls each day of a trip. (I shoot more now that I'm using digital).
Yet, I'm sure the slower, measured approach works very well for others. Just not for me.
To me, it's just short of insane to suggest that either approach represents a step on any path toward great photography. Just do what works for you and enjoy it.