wgerrard
Veteran
Bill, thanks for the methodology info.
Some folks are just wired to give equal weight to anecdotal evidence as well as the results of a well-crafted objective study.
Some folks are just wired to give equal weight to anecdotal evidence as well as the results of a well-crafted objective study.
gb hill
Veteran
I go into Ft Bragg quite often. They have an X Ray machine that scans vehicles; mainly trucks. It's like a drive through, you pull up to a line, stop, get out & go sit in a secure location. I've lost two rolls of film forgetting to take them out of my truck. The last roll I lost was a cheap roll of drugstore type film so not a huge loss. The 1st was a roll still in camera. When I remembered I left the film in the truck I took it out to look at the film leader being it was an unshot roll, & the emulsion was completely gone. I pulled out the whole roll and the light brown emulsion was gone all the way through. I could see clearly through the whole roll of film. One of the guards told us that x ray device can scan through 15 inch thick metal. They scan all the U-hauls going in so if you have someone in your family thats in the service ever get stationed at Ft. Bragg if they shoot film tell them to pack it in a carry on & remember to take it out of the truck.
bmattock
Veteran
Bill, thanks for the methodology info.
Some folks are just wired to give equal weight to anecdotal evidence as well as the results of a well-crafted objective study.
Understood. Or more precisely, I get it but I do not understand it. The temptation is high to refer to such people's intelligence in terms unkind.
Ronald M
Veteran
Baggage x ray is 100 times stronger and is guaranteed to ruin your film.
December 2007/January 2008 trip to Thailand/Laos
Dozen rolls of Provia 100F, dozen rolls of Provia 400X, three rolls of Fuji Superia 1600, all carried in hand luggage.
x-ray check 1 (departure @ Narita Airport, Tokyo) -> x-ray check 2 (arrival @ Bangkok airport) -> x-ray check 3 (departure @ Bangkok Airport) - x-ray check 4 & 5 (departure @ Vientiane Domestic Airport), x-ray check 6 (departure @ Vientiane International Airport), x-ray check 7 (arrival @ Bangkok Airport), x-ray check 8 (departure @ Bangkok Airport).
The Fuji Superia 1600 got fried, but the Provia 400X and 100F was fine. I suspect the ancient x-ray equipment at the Vientiane Domestic Airport caused the damage. These days I don't carry anything faster than ISO 400.
Dozen rolls of Provia 100F, dozen rolls of Provia 400X, three rolls of Fuji Superia 1600, all carried in hand luggage.
x-ray check 1 (departure @ Narita Airport, Tokyo) -> x-ray check 2 (arrival @ Bangkok airport) -> x-ray check 3 (departure @ Bangkok Airport) - x-ray check 4 & 5 (departure @ Vientiane Domestic Airport), x-ray check 6 (departure @ Vientiane International Airport), x-ray check 7 (arrival @ Bangkok Airport), x-ray check 8 (departure @ Bangkok Airport).
The Fuji Superia 1600 got fried, but the Provia 400X and 100F was fine. I suspect the ancient x-ray equipment at the Vientiane Domestic Airport caused the damage. These days I don't carry anything faster than ISO 400.
fergus
Well-known
June/July 2007 trip, Sydney -> Auckland -> Cook Islands -> Tahiti -> Easter Island -> Santiago -> Buenos Aires -> Salta and return... 14 scans (carry-on) and no film showed any problems.
The damage may well be there, but I didn't see it.
Films astia 100, fortia 50, provia 400, natura 1600.
The damage may well be there, but I didn't see it.
Films astia 100, fortia 50, provia 400, natura 1600.
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Freakscene
Obscure member
I took Arista Premium 100 and 400 and Delta 3200 through these airports in August-September 2009 and the films got scanned as follows:
Adelaide
Sydney
Johannesburg
Victoria Falls
Johannesburg
Zurich (scanned on arrival)
Zurich
Vienna
Zurich
Hong Kong
Sydney
The negatives look fine to me - but I have not sensitometrically tested the speed or base fog, nor did I shoot and retain a test roll from the batches at home to examine grain size and pattern. I have had medium and slow films scanned a lot more times than this too, without problems.
Marty
Adelaide
Sydney
Johannesburg
Victoria Falls
Johannesburg
Zurich (scanned on arrival)
Zurich
Vienna
Zurich
Hong Kong
Sydney
The negatives look fine to me - but I have not sensitometrically tested the speed or base fog, nor did I shoot and retain a test roll from the batches at home to examine grain size and pattern. I have had medium and slow films scanned a lot more times than this too, without problems.
Marty
zerobuttons
Well-known
Thank you to all who participated so far in this thread. It is nice to hear something other than the usual horror stories - and Barret´s wasn´t one of the usual ones...
Chuck Albertson
Well-known
I've lost track of the number of scans I've put film through on trips. I don't worry about it any more.
OurManInTangier
An Undesirable
I did eleven flights ( and scans on each one ) in the space of six weeks before returning home and had no issues with any of my Delta 100, TriX and CN400....but then I didn't have any high ISO stuff.
I may have been lucky?
I may have been lucky?
Dave Wilkinson
Veteran
Never had a problem in many years travel ( as carry on board ) I still sometimes take a few films, but now its so much more convenient to us CF cards - on foreign trips.
Dave.
Dave.
dexdog
Veteran
I did a trip on 2007 where my film got scanned at least 8 times. Twice on the same machine leaving Beijing Airport, because something caught the inspector's eye the first time. No damage to film, mostly Fujicolor 200, but also Fujicolor 1600 and some Kodak 400 CN. No problems with any of the rolls.
zerobuttons
Well-known
Since I´m the thread starter I ought to post my own latest observations:
Travelling in China in May 2010, Copenhagen->Beijing->Xi´an->Guilin->Yangshuo/Hangzhou/Suzhou->Shanghai.
20 pcs. of Kodak Ektar 100 were scanned at least 6 times - a few of them 9 times, 2 pcs. of Fuji Superia 400 were scanned 2 times.
I don´t find any loss of contrast in any of the films.
In China there are X-ray scanners in all kinds of places where you wouldn´t expect to find them in Europe. That is probably worth taking into consideration if you plan on travelling in China with very sensitive film.....
Travelling in China in May 2010, Copenhagen->Beijing->Xi´an->Guilin->Yangshuo/Hangzhou/Suzhou->Shanghai.
20 pcs. of Kodak Ektar 100 were scanned at least 6 times - a few of them 9 times, 2 pcs. of Fuji Superia 400 were scanned 2 times.
I don´t find any loss of contrast in any of the films.
In China there are X-ray scanners in all kinds of places where you wouldn´t expect to find them in Europe. That is probably worth taking into consideration if you plan on travelling in China with very sensitive film.....
charjohncarter
Veteran
I had some film frosted in Peru. The women scanning was stopped by her co-worker fliting with her while I watched my camera get cooked for 3 minutes.
craygc
Well-known
Most so far is 16x with 400 speed B&W film. This has happened because Ive moved a freezer full of film from Beijing to Bangkok then later to Singapore, all as carry on, as a starting point. Then Ive carried a spare roll and a loaded Fuji Klasse W on business trips without using it. Haven't seen a problem
- Beijing
- Shanghai
- Bangkok (x2)
- Singapore (4x)
- Penang (Malaysia)
- LAX
- Las Vegas
- San Fransisco
- Hong Kong
- Macau
- Jakarta (2x)
My film hasn't had any problem, but then I've got a 43 pound tumor growing on my neck and I just sprouted a vestigial tail.
jpberger
Established
I could be mistaken, but doesn't riding in an airplane expose your film to more x-ray/gamma radiation than the carry on baggage scanner?
Most places out side of north America will not hand inspect film-- they don't have the machines to read nitrate swabs or the extra staff to run it. One issue I ran into in Mexico city was that my backpack with 200 rolls of 35mm looked a lot like a bag of blasting caps or something to the poor woman who was running the customs scanner solo at 5am. The look on her face was something else again -- so make sure you have your film in clear bags and show it to the folks before you stick it in the scanner.
Most places out side of north America will not hand inspect film-- they don't have the machines to read nitrate swabs or the extra staff to run it. One issue I ran into in Mexico city was that my backpack with 200 rolls of 35mm looked a lot like a bag of blasting caps or something to the poor woman who was running the customs scanner solo at 5am. The look on her face was something else again -- so make sure you have your film in clear bags and show it to the folks before you stick it in the scanner.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
My experiences:
Trip A: Tri-X, Delta 400, Delta 100, Plus-X, FP-4
0. St. Louis to Atlanta--hand inspection, doesn't count.
1. Atlanta to Paris. Can't remember if hand inspected or X-rayed.
2. Paris (CDG) to Marseilles. X-rayed.
(We drove back to Paris--no X-rays.)
3. Paris to Helsinki. X-Rayed.
4. Helsinki to Paris. X-rayed.
5. Paris to Atlanta. X-rayed.
6. Atlanta to St. Louis. X-Rayed because we were in a rush.
So, 5 or 6 X-rays exposures, no visible damage.
Trip B:
St. Louis to Houston, forget to get hand inspection; one roll of Delta 3200 was in with the Tri-X. Houston to St. Louis, forgot again!
No visible Damage.
St. Louis to ?: Film in Domke X-ray bag triggered a hand inspection. Return trip: I had put the X-Ray bag packed against the bottom of the bag, where it fit best. It was against the frame and roller parts, and thus was presented edge-on to the X-ray. This did not trigger a hand inspection. The bag may have looked to the X-ray person like it was part of the bag frame or mechanism. Or else they saw what it was and were not concerned with it. No damage.
A museum of Judaism on the right bank in Paris wanted to X-ray my camera bag, a Domke F-5XB. Knowing I was going to exceed the five exposure limit, I asked for and got a hand inspection.
These are the experiences I remember.
The advice of the organization in the link that was provided, the i3??, to limit to five exposures, is consistent with information I found on a Kodak website. Looks like five is a good number to go by.
Trip A: Tri-X, Delta 400, Delta 100, Plus-X, FP-4
0. St. Louis to Atlanta--hand inspection, doesn't count.
1. Atlanta to Paris. Can't remember if hand inspected or X-rayed.
2. Paris (CDG) to Marseilles. X-rayed.
(We drove back to Paris--no X-rays.)
3. Paris to Helsinki. X-Rayed.
4. Helsinki to Paris. X-rayed.
5. Paris to Atlanta. X-rayed.
6. Atlanta to St. Louis. X-Rayed because we were in a rush.
So, 5 or 6 X-rays exposures, no visible damage.
Trip B:
St. Louis to Houston, forget to get hand inspection; one roll of Delta 3200 was in with the Tri-X. Houston to St. Louis, forgot again!
No visible Damage.
St. Louis to ?: Film in Domke X-ray bag triggered a hand inspection. Return trip: I had put the X-Ray bag packed against the bottom of the bag, where it fit best. It was against the frame and roller parts, and thus was presented edge-on to the X-ray. This did not trigger a hand inspection. The bag may have looked to the X-ray person like it was part of the bag frame or mechanism. Or else they saw what it was and were not concerned with it. No damage.
A museum of Judaism on the right bank in Paris wanted to X-ray my camera bag, a Domke F-5XB. Knowing I was going to exceed the five exposure limit, I asked for and got a hand inspection.
These are the experiences I remember.
The advice of the organization in the link that was provided, the i3??, to limit to five exposures, is consistent with information I found on a Kodak website. Looks like five is a good number to go by.
Leigh Youdale
Well-known
This thread's a bit old now, but this last week I did a trip in Oz and while at security at Sydney Domestic Airport found myself standing near a Security Supervisor. Although this might not hold true for all airports I asked him if they could adjust the intensity of the scan for carry on luggage as is often alleged in RFF. He said no, they couldn't. They would do two or three passes if something attracted their attention and if still not satisfied would ask the traveller to open their bags. But he did tell me something I didn't know before. He said some of the machines were up to 20 years old. Technicians from the government department that handles air safety come periodically to calibrate the machines. They, and only they, can adjust the machines. Then he told me that these techies do, on a random basis, tweak the intensity of some of the scanners. They never tell the security staff which ones and it's a strategy to increase the surveillance periodically on random machines so that a careful observer (read "threat") would have difficulty in detecting which were the less sensitive machines over any given time period. How much "extra" they give the scanner, he claimed not to know. FWIW.
cnphoto
Well-known
2008 - Sydney, Singapore, Malaysia, Malaysia, Singapore, Darwin, Sydney
ISO 100-400 slide and B&W film, hand checked 50% of the time - had no issues for the 4 or 5 times they where scanned.
Delta 3200 and Neopan 1600 had 1 or 2 scans (i hand checked except for once or twice on the final leg home - too tired to be bothered at 3AM in the morning) - also, no issues there.
Interesting about scanners and increasing the intensity Leigh.
ISO 100-400 slide and B&W film, hand checked 50% of the time - had no issues for the 4 or 5 times they where scanned.
Delta 3200 and Neopan 1600 had 1 or 2 scans (i hand checked except for once or twice on the final leg home - too tired to be bothered at 3AM in the morning) - also, no issues there.
Interesting about scanners and increasing the intensity Leigh.
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