How to scan batch 120 film with Vuescan?

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This is driving me nuts. HOW, do you do this??

I read that you should set multi crop to "Custom", but then you get a grid view that is impossible to handle?

I thought I just could use Multi Crop "MF", but that doesn't seem to work either?

Seems like I am only able to have "two frames" when having two strips in the holder.


Help!
 
If I take only one strip, I am able to select Multi Crop: MF. That way I get to select three photos. The problem is when I have two strips..
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This is what Ed Hamrick told me. re. 120 on my Nikon LS9000:

"Measure the distance from the start of one frame to the start of
the next frame. Use an actual ruler with a millimeter scale. Put
this value into the "Input | Frame spacing" option."

Haven't tried it yet, as my frustration reservoir is empty this month :)
 
Zonan said:
This is what Ed Hamrick told me. re. 120 on my Nikon LS9000:

"Measure the distance from the start of one frame to the start of
the next frame. Use an actual ruler with a millimeter scale. Put
this value into the "Input | Frame spacing" option."

Haven't tried it yet, as my frustration reservoir is empty this month :)
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Haha, I see. But seriously, that's way to cumbersome. Why not make an option to mark out the pictures you want to scan manually?
 
It would help to know what scanner we're talking about!

For MF, I use my Epson 4870, which has a holder that can take three strips, revealing two images per strip. For Vuescan, I'm using the following:

INPUT: Batch scan:List, Batch list:1-6

CROP: Crop size: Manual, Multi crop: MF, Show multi outline: checked, Lock aspect ratio:Off X&Y sizes & offsets just show the results of manually cropping the images.

With these settings, I run the preview and get a grid overlay corresponding to the six images. The grid is not the crop! Moving the cursor over each grid, the cursor changes to the image number. Clicking the selected grid, a crop outline will appear. I can then fine tune the crop outline for that image. Do this for all six and I can then hit SCAN to scan all six of the cropped images.

Ed's instructions all point to using an option of ALL with the Batch scan, but on my Epson 4870 and Canon FS4000US, there is no option of all. Emailing with him about it, he said to just use the LIST approach.
 
plummerl said:
It would help to know what scanner we're talking about!

For MF, I use my Epson 4870, which has a holder that can take three strips, revealing two images per strip. For Vuescan, I'm using the following:

INPUT: Batch scan:List, Batch list:1-6

CROP: Crop size: Manual, Multi crop: MF, Show multi outline: checked, Lock aspect ratio:Off X&Y sizes & offsets just show the results of manually cropping the images.

With these settings, I run the preview and get a grid overlay corresponding to the six images. The grid is not the crop! Moving the cursor over each grid, the cursor changes to the image number. Clicking the selected grid, a crop outline will appear. I can then fine tune the crop outline for that image. Do this for all six and I can then hit SCAN to scan all six of the cropped images.

Ed's instructions all point to using an option of ALL with the Batch scan, but on my Epson 4870 and Canon FS4000US, there is no option of all. Emailing with him about it, he said to just use the LIST approach.
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But what if the grid is totally misplaced? Also, when using multiple strips and MF I only get to select two images??

I use an Epson scanner
 
The width of the film channel on my holder is slightly wider than the Epson holder by a fraction of a mm to allow for the slight width variation found with some camera makers. Usually, my holder allows for obtaining the full photographic image. The lower layer of my of my single_channel holder is made of material that is easy to modify (the holder is made of various materials from the plastics family) and people often modify it to do full frame scanning including the edge markings/printing as shown toward the bottom of the following page (red lines):

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/insert.html

The holder was designed to use one piece of glass in order to not introduce one more layer of AN glass between the film and scanner's optics.

Doug
 
xvvvz said:
The width of the film channel on my holder is slightly wider than the Epson holder by a fraction of a mm to allow for the slight width variation found with some camera makers. Usually, my holder allows for obtaining the full photographic image. The lower layer of my of my single_channel holder is made of material that is easy to modify (the holder is made of various materials from the plastics family) and people often modify it to do full frame scanning including the edge markings/printing as shown toward the bottom of the following page (red lines):

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/insert.html

The holder was designed to use one piece of glass in order to not introduce one more layer of AN glass between the film and scanner's optics.

Doug
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Sorry, but didn't quite catch how that helps me with Vuescan.

If I undrstand Vuescan correctly, there is no way to manually say how many frames there should be, and then select them manually. You have to use the stupid grid and say how many images you have vertically, and how many horizontally, which for me is always way off
 
Another thing. What is the advantage of doing one pass for each picture compared to scanning the whole strip? If the result is the same, why don't people choose the latter, as it is faster?
 
Znerken said:
Sorry, but didn't quite catch how that helps me with Vuescan.

If I undrstand Vuescan correctly, there is no way to manually say how many frames there should be, and then select them manually. You have to use the stupid grid and say how many images you have vertically, and how many horizontally, which for me is always way off
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Using Vuescan with my Epson 4870, I do not have to specify the grid dimensions. It detects it automatically. Here are my settings, following a resetting of all options to default:

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... and the result after a Preview:

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One suggestion (if you haven't already tried it!) is to reset Vuescan to Default Options. Second suggestion is to email Ed Hamrick with a very concise description of your issue. I've been able to get replies from him in a very short time answering my question.
 
plummerl said:
Using Vuescan with my Epson 4870, I do not have to specify the grid dimensions. It detects it automatically. Here are my settings, following a resetting of all options to default:

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... and the result after a Preview:

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One suggestion (if you haven't already tried it!) is to reset Vuescan to Default Options. Second suggestion is to email Ed Hamrick with a very concise description of your issue. I've been able to get replies from him in a very short time answering my question.
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I have tried resetting everything, but still my grid is way of and not even close. I beleive the problem is that I use the betterscanning holder with ANR glass, and therefor the two strips placed in their seperate slots will never be perfectly aligned, thus the photos are not placed at the same place. Correct Betterscanning?
 
Znerken said:
I have tried resetting everything, but still my grid is way of and not even close. I beleive the problem is that I use the betterscanning holder with ANR glass, and therefor the two strips placed in their seperate slots will never be perfectly aligned, thus the photos are not placed at the same place. Correct Betterscanning?
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Since your using a third party frame, that would probably explain the issues with the multi-crop. I'm assuming you've followed their Vuescan suggestions (http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/batchscanning.html)? Otherwise, I'd try a short question to Ed.
 
Looks like the betterscanning holders are not compatible with scanning batch with two strips, unless you actually make the to strips perfectly aligned to eachother. That's what I got out of the manual plummerl. There are two options then:
1. Scan one strip instead of two
2. Scan two strips, but then you can't batch scan. You need to scan the whole strip
 
Znerken said:
Looks like the betterscanning holders are not compatible with scanning batch with two strips, unless you actually make the to strips perfectly aligned to eachother. That's what I got out of the manual plummerl. There are two options then:
1. Scan one strip instead of two
2. Scan two strips, but then you can't batch scan. You need to scan the whole strip
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Using the initial settings I showed above for Input & Crop settings (Auto, MF), I simply laid two strips (three frames each) on my 4870 glass. Vuescan automatically detected all six frames and I can run a batch scan on them. Following the PREVIEW, I went in and cropped each frame. In this case, even though the initial preview showed a misalignment of the grid boundaries, the cropping allows you to crop outside the grid. The important part is that it detected all six frames. Below, the resultant crop specifications is simply showing what the PREVIEW found. With a test like this, it would seem to show that the holder is not playing much of a role (or lack of one!).


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plummerl said:
Using the initial settings I showed above for Input & Crop settings (Auto, MF), I simply laid two strips (three frames each) on my 4870 glass. Vuescan automatically detected all six frames and I can run a batch scan on them. Following the PREVIEW, I went in and cropped each frame. In this case, even though the initial preview showed a misalignment of the grid boundaries, the cropping allows you to crop outside the grid. The important part is that it detected all six frames. Below, the resultant crop specifications is simply showing what the PREVIEW found. With a test like this, it would seem to show that the holder is not playing much of a role (or lack of one!).


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So strange that Vuescan only detected 2 when I did that. I have the exact same settings. It should have detect 8 photos.
 
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