HU: Noctilux price increase effective January 1, 2008

ampguy said:
but show me a Nokton or any lens that can render images like these:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4080402#237707369

(all from the Costco scans with no editing except for the 8x10 ratio one that was cropped to remove the end of roll thingy, and the 2 or 3 deer print ones that were bumped up with picasa feeling lucky for better contrast).

and I'll eat my words.
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Don't you dare start a Voigtlander Nokton versus Noctilux debacle!! All of the posts mentioning the Voigtlander offerings simply stated that they are good... No one said they were better than Nocti and ONLY YOU stated that the Nocti is better.

Its a pissing contest with only you in it.

Besides.... If you can't afford the Nocti do you expect someone just the throw up the hands in the air and proceed in a tantrum. Or perhaps find enjoyment with a Nokton?


I have both now... and I like both.
 
ampguy said:
but show me a Nokton or any lens that can render images like these:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4080402#237707369
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It's quite easy to shoot blurry twigs with many cheaply available lenses. Here are two from the Canon .095 (lousy pictures, but less vignetting than Noctilux ones 😉 ):

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ampguy said:
(all from the Costco scans with no editing except for the 8x10 ratio one that was cropped to remove the end of roll thingy, and the 2 or 3 deer print ones that were bumped up with picasa feeling lucky for better contrast).
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I can see clearly the ones with bumped up contrast: the vignetting is so pronounced that I thought you had mounted a lens hood too narrow for the lens.

Cheers!

Abbazz
 
Abbazz said:
It's quite easy to shoot blurry twigs with many cheaply available lenses. Here are two from the Canon .095 (lousy pictures, but less vignetting than Noctilux ones 😉 ):

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I can see clearly the ones with bumped up contrast: the vignetting is so pronounced that I thought you had mounted a lens hood too narrow for the lens.

Cheers!

Abbazz
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Ha! I just got a .95 two days ago!

Here is a sample-

Canon7-095-Rock5.jpg



I admit, it's no Noctilux 🙂 - but you can see some more shots from my first 3 rolls if you care to here -- http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52074
 
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those are nice photos

those are nice photos

but they lack something to me that is hard to describe, maybe this photo or gallery will show the signature that I am trying to refer to:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4080678#237721960-A-LB

and yes, there is vigging, as I mentioned I didn't edit or crop, except for those deer print photos.

Abbazz said:
It's quite easy to shoot blurry twigs with many cheaply available lenses. Here are two from the Canon .095 (lousy pictures, but less vignetting than Noctilux ones 😉 ):

p304642304.jpg


p259844777.jpg




I can see clearly the ones with bumped up contrast: the vignetting is so pronounced that I thought you had mounted a lens hood too narrow for the lens.

Cheers!

Abbazz
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Dan States said:
Of course, if I ran Leica I'd jack the prices up every month until I saw a drop in revenue. The "Value of the dollar against the Euro" argument is pretty lame on a lens made in Canada that has gone from 2K to 6K usd in 4 years. Folks, the dollar isn't THAT weak!
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Actually, it's the "value of the dollar against the loonie" that may have more to do with the latest price increase. With the loonie hitting parity with the dollar, anything coming out of Canada is going to cost more these days.
 
sitemistic said:
How much is a Noctilux in Germany?
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4795 euro at a German photo store (Foto Mayr).

The Noctilux is overprized and doubtly worth that amount of money but I wanted one and bought it. I think a Noctilux + M4-P is a better investment than any LHSA, MP-3, or titan MP with corresponding "special" 50mm Summilux ...
 
ampguy said:
but show me a Nokton or any lens that can render images like these:

http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4080402#237707369

(all from the Costco scans with no editing except for the 8x10 ratio one that was cropped to remove the end of roll thingy, and the 2 or 3 deer print ones that were bumped up with picasa feeling lucky for better contrast).

and I'll eat my words.
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Wait...you use Costco scans for your Noctilux images? Please, the irony is killing me.

Yes ampguy, a Noctilux will out-perform a Nokton. And at a certain point the price/performance ratio makes the Nokton the clear choice for most shooters. I suspect $6k is past that point. Having said that if you need/want a Noctilux get one...nothing else will do.

Best regards,

Bob
 
Those Canon images look great to me, as do many Nocti shots I've seen in the past. I waited a year for a new Nocti before deciding that I couldn't afford how much it had increased in price during that time. With the money I got a refund (I had money in credit from the return of my M8's) plus a few items. If I had one, I'd use it. I love the build of it and longer focus throw. I like the way it renders, although it's perhaps a bit wacky at times. Maybe for me a 50 Summilux would be better, although I'll probably never know because the price of that has gone up too.

I'd like a Noctilux. I do enough low light shooting to justify it. But as HCB said, the sun goes down for a reason and that reason is to remind you it's time to put the camera away...
 
TJV said:
Those Canon images look great to me, as do many Nocti shots I've seen in the past. I waited a year for a new Nocti before deciding that I couldn't afford how much it had increased in price during that time. With the money I got a refund (I had money in credit from the return of my M8's) plus a few items. If I had one, I'd use it. I love the build of it and longer focus throw. I like the way it renders, although it's perhaps a bit wacky at times. Maybe for me a 50 Summilux would be better, although I'll probably never know because the price of that has gone up too.

I'd like a Noctilux. I do enough low light shooting to justify it. But as HCB said, the sun goes down for a reason and that reason is to remind you it's time to put the camera away...
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... but sometimes the time after sunset has some surprising and interesting moments worth being photographed. 🙂 I hope that you get your Noctilux some time !
 
Ok ... if we're throwing images about and seeing what a six thousand dollar lens can do compared to a budget alternative fasty ... here's one I took the other day that surprised me. My Nokton may not have f1. but it did only cost a few hundred dollars and it did produce this result ... if someone would like to send me their Noctilux quickly I'll take the same photo so I can compare and get it back to you as soon as I can. I promise! :angel: 😛

Flower.jpg
 
maddoc said:
... but sometimes the time after sunset has some surprising and interesting moments worth being photographed. 🙂 I hope that you get your Noctilux some time !
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Exactly! ARRRRRGH! It's neverending! No wonder I'm not sleeping well...

Yeah, I'd love to be able to use one. Never say never, eh?
 
Also, a question...

Does the Canon 0.95 have the same sort of focus shift (technically speaking) that's reported with the Nocti? I've read that the Sonnar also shifts somewhat, is that true?
Sorry for being OT...

J
 
Here's one I did with my CV 75mm Color-Heliar on my M8
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Granted, it's not a Noctilux and I am not HCB, but I like the bokeh on it anyways.
 
TJV said:
Does the Canon 0.95 have the same sort of focus shift (technically speaking) that's reported with the Nocti? I've read that the Sonnar also shifts somewhat, is that true?
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Yes, it is called bathochromic shift and is caused by a change of spectral band position at molecular scale. 😀

More seriously, yes, the Canon 50/0.95 is a pain in the neck to focus wide open.

Cheers!

Abbazz
 
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