Epimetheus
Well-known
Yep, lost 2415€.
Everything checked out or so I thought, good feedback and communication. Few days after sending the money I received a message from eBay that the sellers account might "have been accessed by an unauthorized third party". How do they know that by the way?
If he's stupid enough to use the same scam, here's some details of the auction so you can avoid it.
I have filed a complaint to The Internet Crime Complaint Center and I'm going to file a complaint to the police but I'll doubt I'll see the money again.
Everything checked out or so I thought, good feedback and communication. Few days after sending the money I received a message from eBay that the sellers account might "have been accessed by an unauthorized third party". How do they know that by the way?
If he's stupid enough to use the same scam, here's some details of the auction so you can avoid it.
- Listed on German eBay
- Location Sweden
- Payment by SEPA (Single Euro Payments Area) or IBAN/SWIFT
- Listing text: "Leica NOCTILUX-M 50MM F/1. Neuwertiger Zustand, OVP , Geli Voll funktionsfдhig. Glas makellos, weitere Einzelheiten siehe Leica-homepage Privatverkauf , keine Garantie , keine Rьcknahme "
I have filed a complaint to The Internet Crime Complaint Center and I'm going to file a complaint to the police but I'll doubt I'll see the money again.
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LeicaFoReVer
Addicted to Rangefinders
my god that is hell of money...Sorry to hear that...
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
The real owner of the ebay account probably discovered that he was selling a Noctilux (and probably doesn't know what a Noctilux is) and complained to ebay, who then told you the account was hijacked.
ruby.monkey
Veteran
How did you pay?
(Sorry - just reread the opening post. I must admit that I would pass on anything for which I couldn't pay with a credit card)
(Sorry - just reread the opening post. I must admit that I would pass on anything for which I couldn't pay with a credit card)
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Epimetheus
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Epimetheus
Well-known
I paid by SEPA. I would think that the real owner of the bank account can be traced because I don't think it's possible to open a bank account in a Swedish bank without identification.
Nikkor AIS
Nikkor AIS
Thats horrible. A gut punch before christmas to be sure. Iv never bought anything off E-bay for this very reason. I bought my Noctilux at KEH. Good guys to deal with. My question is, even with someone with a good record on E-bay how do you know they wont use your transaction to cash in? and just change user names and start the whole process of getting a good history and than do it again?
Gregory
Gregory
Epimetheus
Well-known
Yep, I sold a lot of gear and and worked hard to fund it.
Jeicob
Amateur
Using private email or?
Both times I have been interested in Items submitted from hacked accounts, the fraud was discovered using the internal messaging system (both times buyers were told to contact the seller by email).
Hope you somehow get your money back
Epimetheus
Well-known
I have bought a lot of stuff from eBay and had only good experiences and I probably got too trusting for that reason. I certainly learned a lesson.
I don't know how scamming works or how one can obtain some ones eBay account. I also made a complaint to eBay but they don't seem to care. They just removed all records of the listing. It even disappeared from "My eBay". As far as eBay is concerned this never happened. I of course have all emails stored.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
You seem to be taking it well ... I'd have steam coming out of my ears at this stage!
I got scammed recently for a $400.00 lens for my Hasselblad ... the internet is a wild frontier for buyers at times and stuff like this really rocks your faith in human nature. Ebay paypal etc are no help at all!
Very sorry to hear about this ... I hope the scammer gets hit by a bus!
I got scammed recently for a $400.00 lens for my Hasselblad ... the internet is a wild frontier for buyers at times and stuff like this really rocks your faith in human nature. Ebay paypal etc are no help at all!
Very sorry to hear about this ... I hope the scammer gets hit by a bus!
Paul T.
Veteran
SO sorry to hear this. Good luck with getting the police on to him; if you can, try and identify the branch of the bank and call them directly. I know this is hard; I recently had $2000 of payments go astray, and the hardest part of getting it back was ID'ing where and when the holding branch was. Once you get to them they're often helpful.
AS usual, the lesson here is to take nothing on trust on eBay, especially when the photos look generic like this, so email early. I am buying a £100 bass guitar for my son,and have only bid on items where I can pick up myself, because there are so many dodgy, vague items on there.
AS usual, the lesson here is to take nothing on trust on eBay, especially when the photos look generic like this, so email early. I am buying a £100 bass guitar for my son,and have only bid on items where I can pick up myself, because there are so many dodgy, vague items on there.
Phantomas
Well-known
Or here. The only time I've got scammed was on RFF. On the other hand some of the best items I've bought were also on RFF. It's not just eBay, scammers are everywhere.
timpppa
Member
That's a shame... I asked about the payment methods also for the same auction. Seller did not accept anything but IBAN / SWIFT transfer. Did not have the courage to proceed with buying.
Vobluda
Well-known
Well, ID from which you purchase the lens have 100% positive feedback but last activity under that account was two years ago as a buyer and five (!) years ago as a seller.
They are probably hacking accounts that have been 100% positive feedback and not active for couple of years.
They are probably hacking accounts that have been 100% positive feedback and not active for couple of years.
Olsen
Well-known
It is not possible to open a bank account in Sweden without proper ID. But you are not obliged to get the identity of the account holder. But (Finish/Swedish) police will have this authority. Report the case to the police.
Paul T.
Veteran
By an established member? Worrying...
freeranger
Well-known
That sucks! Really sorry - I hope that you can recover your money.
Phantomas
Well-known
Not very well established, but did have several relevant posts for over a year. There were a few of us that were victims of the same scam. Luckily, and mostly because there were a few of us (otherwise the scam might not have been discovered) we have put enough pressure on the guy to get our money back.
To the OP - definitely use IBAN/SWIFT as your weapon. Tell him that the authorities will track him down through those details. The unfortunate part is that it will be difficult to actually get the money back through the bank, but at least use it as a threat.
yanidel
Well-known
I really feel sorry for you.
I know it won't help much for the moment, but there were lots of elements pointing to a scam from the beginning :
- the user had a good rating but had a long period of inactivity (no activity since 2004). Frauders typically look for these accounts to hijack as they think the real member might not notice (or even be dead ...)
- the item country not the same as the seller country.
- no description in the item country language. Typically most items get sold within the home country, so lack of Swedish was suspicious.
- description was way too standard for such a specific and pricey item, pictures were lousy.
- no Paypal option, so no way to for the buyer to block funds.
If you still have doubt on a listing, ask yourself the question "Is it too good to be true?"
It it is too good... probably ain't true.
I saw a similar one a few months ago with a M6 + lenses. Exactly same patterns. I searched on the serial numbers and found the listing to be the copy of an ad posted on a French forum a few months before. I contacted Ebay and within minutes, the ad was gone.
I know it won't help much for the moment, but there were lots of elements pointing to a scam from the beginning :
- the user had a good rating but had a long period of inactivity (no activity since 2004). Frauders typically look for these accounts to hijack as they think the real member might not notice (or even be dead ...)
- the item country not the same as the seller country.
- no description in the item country language. Typically most items get sold within the home country, so lack of Swedish was suspicious.
- description was way too standard for such a specific and pricey item, pictures were lousy.
- no Paypal option, so no way to for the buyer to block funds.
If you still have doubt on a listing, ask yourself the question "Is it too good to be true?"
It it is too good... probably ain't true.
I saw a similar one a few months ago with a M6 + lenses. Exactly same patterns. I searched on the serial numbers and found the listing to be the copy of an ad posted on a French forum a few months before. I contacted Ebay and within minutes, the ad was gone.