I guess it's human nature to try something new and not like it, then sell it ... but!

Keith

Keith

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With X100's appearing in the classifieds (several now) but many out there still waiting for their back ordered cameras I'm now convinced that the X100 really has come from the twilight zone!

And I guess it is human nature to buy something, try it for a few days and sell it because you don't like it. And I suppose it's logical to do it straight away with demand still high ensuring you'll get what you paid for it.

But ... I think the whole X100 thing with this latest twist has now fried my brain! :p
 
there was a camera show here a week or so back...they had one x100 on display.
i played with it for a bit and came away with mixed feelings.
it has some heft but i would have liked some more. the viewfinder was a bit unnerving...lots of info crammed into it and of course i knew nothing about what it all meant.
the overall size was ok.
had i paid for one i think i would have been disappointed when it first arrived, not really love at first sight.

but i love some of the images that i see posted on flickr that came from the x100...
 
Yeah, and in the US the retail price keeps rising even as the stores still wait for the product to arrive. I assume this is the exchange rate. It was once said to be $1099, last I heard it was $1299, and B&H now lists it at $1399.

Fortunately, I don't want one.

I want me a Nikon D700. Even worse.
 
I like that - From the Twighlight Zone...

You're right Keith; it does have strange powers.

I just snapped out of a reverie and found I'd spent an idle half hour pixel peeping at X100 vs D700 shots! I set up an impromptu still life and shot the X100 vs D700 + 35mm 2.8 AIS (all I had) Help me before it's too late...

BTW the X100 did just fine; I'm just trying to work out where I like the settings (for example I really don't like the D700 at 1600 ASA so I always skip straight to 3200
High ISO on the X100 is just fab. The lens does weird things at 2.0 (I don't even know what it's called but a strange veil around bright our of focus bits?) But it's great at 2.8 so I'll probably make that my min unless I'm going for the Doris Day Look)
I't still doing things that confuse me re the menus. I'm sure you'll have a great time with yours if it ever gets there Keith; good luck.
 
back alley said:
the viewfinder was a bit unnerving...lots of info crammed into it and of course i knew nothing about what it all meant...
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That can all be turned off (in both the OVF / EVF). Most of the things that people complain about on the internet with this camera are things that can be corrected through the menus. You set it up how you like it one time and then use the aperture ring and shutter speed dial for the most part. It really is a great camera, but it seems many people don't give it enough time and think the most trivial of things cannot be corrected by the user. No offense to you BA, you only tried it for a few minutes, so I understand. Many others who own it, I don't get it why they don't RTFM. I guess they expected Leica simplicity out of the box. However, for a Japanese camera, it is pretty good once you set it up.
 
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Yes it seems a bit hasty, it takes me years to decide if I can live with stuff ... I liked the one I tried, but as joe said it's a bit light and a bit complex on first sight, but it did take a photo when I pressed the button ... which is not always the case when I mess with technology
 
A lot of folks followed the hype and were disappointed.

I saw Larky's and an American gent we met and for me it's still a Hexar af gone digital so YES I want one.

Saving au$ to get one.
 
jsrockit said:
I guess they expected Leica simplicity out of the box.
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I think that is it, at least for me.

I was thinking the same thing Keith, just a little strange to see sales this quickly.

But I don't have a love affair with any digital camera yet. They "think" too much for me. A thinking partner is what wives/girlfriends..... are for. I simply want a camera to do what I want it to, which is why I love shooting with my Leicas.

I hope to get a chance to play with the x100 at some point. I think at a minimum it is another step in the right direction towards what I am looking for.

But yes, I am surprised to see the few that have been listed for sale this soon.

(note, no mention of the M9 needed as that, though may be "the one" for me, is way too expensive for me. Too expensive is what wives and girlfriends.... are for.:cool:)
 
I think a lot of people got excited by the hype, put their names on waiting lists and couldn't resist when the opportunity to buy came along. You know what its like, if I don't take this one I may have to wait months for another etc. Not necessarily the best way to buy.

I'm slowly getting used to mine and enjoying the experience. IQ, metering and focusing are just fine in spite of what else you might read. Size wise, its a fraction smaller tham my OM2 and feels similar in hand.
 
I guess a lot of people bought the camera hoping they would love it to bits ... but that's a hard ask for a camera with absolutely no track record.
 
I like the "idea" of this camera
I kinda sorta get the whole form factor thing...
But I think the disappointment stems from...
small sensor = small sensor = small sensor = small sensor
Which is why I refuse to spend $$$ on upscale digicams.
APSC = APSC = APSC = APSC =APSC
Doesn't matter what form factor the camera is in...
The IQ isn't going to magically be better than any other APSC camera...
Personally, I wouldnt trade the ability to swap lenses for a RF-esque form factor
especially considering that compact APSC DSLRs with a prime ain't that much more
cumbersome to carry around and they cost 1/2-the price.

The deal with a fixed lens RF years ago... like (pick one) a Yashica GSN is that they
were bargains. You got a good lens along with a camera at a price point that was less
than interchangeable lens systems - certainly other rangefinders (Leica), and many/most
SLRs. That was the reason to buy them... and it was a compelling offering with the cost TRADEOFF(!) being you can't swap lenses with these cameras. So you got a camera that could take pics every bit as good as their n times the price interchangeable lens cameras - but you were stuck with one focal length as a downside.
The fact that Fuji can charge twice as much for a fixed lens camera over a compact entry-level DSLR from Canon or Nikon or Pentax (awesome offerings, all...) is just so much consumer/market/digital silliness.

Really, it is...

I think the Samsung NX10 with the 30mm pancake is a better offering because the IQ = APSC (same as the X100 for all intents and purposes...) is around the same size, is undervalued because Samsung ain't a "real" camera company, and it's an interchangeable lens camera.
 
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Let's also remember that the ones being listed here (not pointing to any sale in particular) are being offered at prices higher than retail. At least compared to Amazon's new price.
If I purchased something and was wavering on it - and realized I might actually be able to make money by flipping it - that might very well push me to sell it.

I could still see myself getting one of these some day. But it will be after the market is awash in them - and people are selling them for $600.
 
i don't believe in love at first sight. it only leads to a one-night stand. Or two.
A good fruitful relationship is not starting in a bar (err...at a camera show) and it takes more to reach and enjoy, than fumbling with the body for a while.
 
I love mine and am not selling it. There are no perfect cameras, people who thought it would be were being unrealistic. Turning their backs on the camera after purchase for a few kinks is just curmudgeonly.
 
Traditional outcome of HYPE

Traditional outcome of HYPE

The hype would have you believe you will become a much better photographer...

Doesn't work that way. Some of the best photography was taken with simple cameras that slipped quietly into the market. You either got it or you don't. You may be able to learn it, but the camera is just a tool which facilitates your talent. By itself, it does not give you talent.

Furthermore, this camera would have still been high priced at 50% of what it is listing for in the marketplace.
 
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kuzano said:
The hype would have you believe you will become a much better photographer...

Doesn't work that way. Some of the best photography was taken with simple cameras that slipped quietly into the market. You either got it or you don't. You may be able to learn it, but the camera is just a tool which facilitates your talent. By itself, it does not give you talent.

Furthermore, this camera would have still been high priced at 50% of what it is listing for in the marketplace.
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but i WANT it to give me the talent to be a better photographer!!
 
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