sepiareverb
genius and moron
Can't speak to the 35, as I'm stuck on my 35/2 ASPH, but both the 25 & 28 Biogons are really impressing me the more negs I get printed. Incredible fine details even handheld just keep showing up the bigger I go with these images. I'd expect the 35 to be just as good- the Zeisse seem to be VERY consistent in rendition and color.
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
I was torn between the asph and the biogon but in the end the price really won me over. It was 35 Biogon and 75lux or 35 asph cron and wait till the new 75 summarit comes out and hopefully be impressed enough with it.
I felt like the biogon/lux combo made more sense for me, plus I love the biogon so far.
I shot another roll with it today, I might go process it tonight.
I felt like the biogon/lux combo made more sense for me, plus I love the biogon so far.
I shot another roll with it today, I might go process it tonight.
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
Taken by the M8 and 50 Nokton
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
digitalintrigue said:
Never shot with the two, I was torn for a while between the two though.
ywenz
Veteran
Must be nice to be able to cup that viewfinder snuggly because you lucky ass people doesn't have the need for glasses or your eyes don't have astigmatism so if you did need glasses, you can always wear contacts..
Yeah, I'm jealous.
Yeah, I'm jealous.
sherm
Well-known
ywenz said:
Did you get another RF yet?
No eyeglass issues for me, but I sure wish I could shoot right-eyed. 
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
ywenz said:
No vision problems yet but both my parents have really weak eyesight, I don't know if I'm just counting down the days.
And I forced myself to start shooting right eyed, and now it's natural.
That way I can shoot with both eyes open, the m6's .85 finder helps for that too.
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
does anyone know if it's at all possible to get a square hood for this lens? I know zeiss doesnt have one but anything anywhere that will fit?
ywenz
Veteran
sherm said:
Nope.. using the money to buy a 35mm adapter for my Panny DVX100 camcorder.. and perhaps another prime for my 5D.. If there's $ left over, I might buy a Hexar AF or Bessa of some sort.. or none of the above if I end up buying a diamond ring. (gulp!)
Amazing what a Leica kit can buy me.
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
ywenz said:
I've thought about that and then realized how much I would miss shooting with my Leica kit. After hauling a DSLR kit for a couple days for some work I never thought about selling my L-Kit again.
JNewell
Leica M Recidivist
If I get a chance this weekend I'll scan some B&W negs from my ASPH that will show you why although I wouldn't say it has "bad bokeh" I do think it's a little wierd...and the Biogon looks better to me. I am thinking, very tentatively at this point, about selling the ASPH.
sherm
Well-known
ywenz said:
Sounds interesting...... go slow with that ring you're young, take your time especially living in Chicago where there's a great deal of "opportunity"
JNewell
Leica M Recidivist
2tcreative
Established
Zeiss Biogon 35/2
Zeiss Biogon 35/2
I just received my Biogon from Tony Rose a couple of days ago. Still shooting film so don't have anything to show yet but initial comments are:
Zeiss Biogon 35/2
I just received my Biogon from Tony Rose a couple of days ago. Still shooting film so don't have anything to show yet but initial comments are:
- very nice build quality
- really like the focusing grip and nub
- as long as my M-Hexanon 50/2
- my CV hood from the 40/1.4 fits perfectly
- Tony really got this out to me quickly
- wouldn't you know it that a week later somone has one for sale in the classifieds!!!
alexz
Well-known
JNewell said:
Not to hijack the thread, but checking your image I'm a bit confused what did you find so funky about the highlights reflections in the windows behind ? They look to me just fine, no doubling (they are OOF), round...so what do you consider to be wrong with them ? Perhaps not as mute as one would expect from highlights in OOF ?
Thanks, Alex
JNewell
Leica M Recidivist
Alex, thanks for the reply. I think/hope we're not hijacking the thread, which is about the relative merits of the Biogon...
I am having a hard time verbalizing my reaction. Maybe you're right, maybe it's just how the scene appeared.
One thing I guess that picture indicates: the Summicron ASPH has zero coma. Point sources like those out at the edges of the field often are rendered out of round, especially at full aperture (this was shot at f/2). So, the ASPH is certainly very highly corrected for coma.
Intellectually I have nothing to criticize. Viscerally, though, the picture has a kind of harsh tone that I don't think is related to the lighting??? It could just be me.
I am having a hard time verbalizing my reaction. Maybe you're right, maybe it's just how the scene appeared.
One thing I guess that picture indicates: the Summicron ASPH has zero coma. Point sources like those out at the edges of the field often are rendered out of round, especially at full aperture (this was shot at f/2). So, the ASPH is certainly very highly corrected for coma.
Intellectually I have nothing to criticize. Viscerally, though, the picture has a kind of harsh tone that I don't think is related to the lighting??? It could just be me.
alexz
Well-known
Yes, the highly corrected features of the ASPH are easily noted, perhaps due to that it sometimes called "clinical". Probably harsh rendition to which people sometimes attribute its performance gets prononced in your picture by these bright spots to be prononced highlights whilst Biogon and/or pre-ASPH 'Cron would probably allow more muted appearance of these (less sparkling). That would probably be only evdent in direct comparison between these on similar pattern in similar shooting conditions. This is why I generally find hard time getting convinced in rendition characteristics to be better of certain lens over the other one when only one of the discussed lenses is shown.
I remember some time ago while torning between 50mm lenses (my first RF lens), I almost set my mind for ZM Planar 50mm which many are rave about and which is priced quite attractively, until going through extensive review of 50mm RF lenses on Reid;s site (paid reviews site available for his subscribers). There were several 50mm lenses stuck up each against other, Planar, latest "cron and Nokton were those of my interest. Planar and 'Cron were following each other very closely, but once he got to OOF judgement with descriptive images, there I figured 'Cron's OOF highlights rendition looked more balanced to me and more pleasing, albeit Planar wasn't far behind (unlike Nokton). That was the decisive moment for me (and luckily I managed to figure a reasonably priced mint current ver. 'Cron here in RFF classifieds soon after that).
Unfortunately, Reid hadn't yet updated his 35mm lenses review with OOF characteristic comparisons. The only thing I managed to figure in this regard in other someone's review was direct comparison of the ASPH with v.4 35mm 'Cron where the former one showed noticeably shallowed OOF transition at any given 1/f stop (i.e. faster OOF transition) which I liked pleasing, albeit probably a bit too much at a times...
I bilieve Biogon produces more balanced, slower OOF transition (similar to v.4 'Cron) which is probably more common thus more convenient for many, but in this regard ASPH pleased me more...
I remember some time ago while torning between 50mm lenses (my first RF lens), I almost set my mind for ZM Planar 50mm which many are rave about and which is priced quite attractively, until going through extensive review of 50mm RF lenses on Reid;s site (paid reviews site available for his subscribers). There were several 50mm lenses stuck up each against other, Planar, latest "cron and Nokton were those of my interest. Planar and 'Cron were following each other very closely, but once he got to OOF judgement with descriptive images, there I figured 'Cron's OOF highlights rendition looked more balanced to me and more pleasing, albeit Planar wasn't far behind (unlike Nokton). That was the decisive moment for me (and luckily I managed to figure a reasonably priced mint current ver. 'Cron here in RFF classifieds soon after that).
Unfortunately, Reid hadn't yet updated his 35mm lenses review with OOF characteristic comparisons. The only thing I managed to figure in this regard in other someone's review was direct comparison of the ASPH with v.4 35mm 'Cron where the former one showed noticeably shallowed OOF transition at any given 1/f stop (i.e. faster OOF transition) which I liked pleasing, albeit probably a bit too much at a times...
I bilieve Biogon produces more balanced, slower OOF transition (similar to v.4 'Cron) which is probably more common thus more convenient for many, but in this regard ASPH pleased me more...
