I Ordered This J-3 - Your Opinions Please

It looks like a nice lens Ruben ... I paid $145.00 for mine a year or so ago with a case and UV filter and thought I got a good deal ... it's near identical condition to the one you bought so $125.00 is real value!
 
it looks good. I got a J3 six monthes ago for $60+$30 shipping. Always make sure they been used bit in good condition, that way you can almspt be sure that the focus is spot on.
 
Mine is destinated to work constantly at f1,5 and between 0,9 and 3 meters. Hmmm.
 
Hello Ruben,

Plant factory is Zagorsk (see picture 2). I also own a Zagorsk J-3 from 1956. A great lens, really.

Best,
Jean
 
Hello Jean,

This logo is listed on Princelle's book as Optek, and Zagorski has another factory logo. Are they the same thing? This is the most often seen J-3s according to what I saw.

Regards,

Zhang

Jean said:
Hello Ruben,

Plant factory is Zagorsk (see picture 2). I also own a Zagorsk J-3 from 1956. A great lens, really.

Best,
Jean
 
ruben said:
Every one is happy, I become even more suspicious...

Hello Ruben,

Do you want to take flattering lady portrait pictures with this lens wide open? Then , you will not be disappointed.🙂 I didn't know this lens is so expensive now.
 
Pitxu said:
I don't want to put a downer on this thread, but to me it looks like the lens is not black inside ? It looks like shiny bare metal between the optics, no ? Wouldn't this cause flare ?

Ahh, finnally I start to breath....🙂

Hi Zhang,
This J-3 is intended for Iso 1600 film, street night photography, f/1,5. Whenever I will find more light I will increase speed, not close aperture. Otherwise it will not make sense for me. This is the root of my suspictions.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
The Jupiter 3 is a great lens, provided it works. I have had some trouble with vignetting at it's max aperture, but am very pleased with it. It's sweet spot seems to be at f/2.8. The Jupiter 8 is not to be scoffed at too.

Samuel
 
It's ZOMZ (Zagorsk):

http://tinyurl.com/2azjue

The price now seems absurd, I have several dozen and never spent over $60 at camera shows or online.

Virtually NONE of them have been accurate at close focus, and 90% have cleaning marks, even if minor.

You will need to shim them or otherwise adjust them. When you buy them from Russian sellers online often they have been taken crudely apart and haze cleaned internally to make them salable, then reassembled wrong. Some have been so badly adjusted you just get a blurred mess.

You might be lucky and get a good one. Most of them from the 1950's were originally well made with even coating, if they have not been tampered with. Since these were expensive optional lenses for pros in Russia, I suspect most of them were shimmed and adjusted to work on individual bodies by repairmen at the time.

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Pitxu said:
"I would like this forum to be a place to celebrate FSU photography and equipment. For now the following is banned.

1) Use of the words dollar, dollars, or the symbol $. There is a forum in the main section where you can discuss money all you want. Finding out what stuff costs is easy, go on eBay, it is boring to endlessly discuss money. Stuff costs what it costs.
2) Any reference to Nikon equipment."

😀

ROTFL!!!😀

Regards,

Bill
 
There seems to be a general agreement that Princelle got it wrong with the "OPTEK" logo. There are several sources on the web that identify that logo as being the pre-1962 ZOMZ logo. I have a LTM J-3 with that logo, and it's superb.

M.Valdemar,
Are your remarks about the condition of J-3's directed at the Kiev mount version? I know it's tricky to get a good one in LTM, but I have always heard that the Kiev versions were much more reliable, probably because all of the focusing apparatus was in the camera, not the lens. I don't have first-hand experience with this, so I'm asking. I can't follow Ruben's link, because I'm at work 🙂, but I'm assuming it's a Kiev lens because it's for Ruben.
 
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M. Valdemar said:
It's ZOMZ (Zagorsk):

http://tinyurl.com/2azjue

The price now seems absurd, I have several dozen and never spent over $60 at camera shows or online.

Virtually NONE of them have been accurate at close focus, and 90% have cleaning marks, even if minor.


SEVERAL DOZEN?......wow!!....that's impressive!....stick at it,-you'll get the perfect one yet!!

Today's cigar - for dedication! 😀
 
Well, I haven't kept all the J-3's, I have a few really nice ones, and a few 1949-1952 ones which are superb.

I also don't understand the crazy spending on FSU equipment. It's really fine stuff, beautiful stuff, some of it, and there are some real rarities which appeal to the budding cadres of FSU collectors, but mostly I liked playing with them.

The best examples can give stunning results. Where I lived in Manhattan in the 1970's and 1980's, on East 14th Street in Manhattan, all these Russian guys set up "junk shops" where they gypped people on fake Icons (from churches), Russian "antiques", and so forth.

I bought CAMERAS and LENSES like a lunatic, for literally pennies. (Great WATCHES too, a whole other universe) I had more stuff and knew more about FSU stuff when it WAS the Soviet Union then most people can even imagine today. Nobody else was buying and the sellers didn't know what to make of it. They couldn't understand why anyone wanted that "garbage" when you could buy a nice Canon AE-1 in America. Poor slobs just off the boat from Russia would show up with sacks of cameras they thought they could sell for a fortune here, and they became bitterly disappointed when they found out it was considered worthless junk in New York.

When I read people "discovering" this stuff now like a bunch of naifs, it amuses me. I had 120 format cameras, Kievs, Hasselblad copies of every stripe, the East German Jena stuff, I had EVERYTHING. Mirror lenses. Suitcase enlargers. I fell in love with a Photosniper when I was 22 years old....I shot all over NYC with it. If I tried that now, some cop would probably shoot me down or I'd wake up in an orange jumpsuit in Gitmo...it looks like a rifle.

There was some stuff that was considered "rare", but the early days of eBay brought it all to the surface, fast.

I accumulated because it cost next to nothing and I was mesmerized by the "other worldness" of the stuff.....like some dropped down from an alien planet.

I even corresponded with the factories by mail and got answers and ordered things. Night vision too, 25 years ago.

I can tell you for certain that the FSU gear you see being flogged now on eBay is the bitter dregs. MOST of it has been tampered with or "restored" by butchers, and it's being sold for extortionate prices.

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PS: I just always LIKED Russian stuff, Fred. That's the heart of it. Like recovering alien technology from a Roswell saucer. I don't know any other answer.
 
Ho Brian, I am so happy to see you here, since you are my back up candidate for the newcomer.

:angel:

Cheers,
Ruben
 
My story with Kievs started with one I purchased at mid 80's, due to a great flock of inmigrants from the Soviet Union. There was a shop at center Jerusalem using to display a full Kiev system. I became extremely curious. The camera didn't lasted as I broke its front small window, trying to do I don't remember what.

Some 13 years later I wanted to have a silent system camera for home pictures and remembered that one.

Since then two things started to happen. First I became more and more intrigued about how to solve its shortcommings while reckognizing its potential, and the second I fell in love with its contours, feeling, and strong presence.

Gradually I purchased more and more of its lineage system, while on the other hand the Kiev Survival Site emerged. This had a great impact on me.

Now, some three months ago, I started to use the Kievs as my main gun for street photography. In my opinion the Kievs have their place in advanced amateur street photography today, no less than a manual Leica, although for going Kiev and enjoying its very low prices (against Leica) you must achieve a minimum of technical knowledge about disassembling the camera.

And this is exactly what the KSS has given us. Here the place to make crystal clear that although I am curious by nature, I am not the type of quick technical understanding. But I have had the patience and motivation to learn from the KSS.

Now, what do I have in the positive side with my Kiev gear for street shooting ?

a) Very very fast manual focusing, including at dark.
b) Very very accurate focusing
c) Extreme silent operation
d) Normal size and weight relatively to all other existing cameras.
e) Great great optics, for the standard, matching my Zuiko macro.
f) A home fixable and home adjustable camera. Control over my camera.
g) A camera that will live as long as film does.
h) A great looking camera, arousing "wows" around.
i) Unsurpassable price-convinience.

BUT I REPEAT AGAIN AND AGAIN, YOU MUST DARE TO LEARN DISASSEMBLING. Otherwise, buying a single camera with a single lens and expecting to get all of these, is a bit of an illusion.

Now, what I do not have and I must have ? So far, nothing.

What will be nice to have although not a must:

a) A winding crank
b) AE
c) Very advanced AF, as for less than very advanced there is no superiority over its manual focusing.
d) Automatic viewfinder changing with the focal length of the lens, releasing me from auxiliary finders.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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