I Reversed My Street Tactics And A Good Start.

ruben said:
An adolescent is not an adult with full development to judge the situation in which he/she is publicly shown.

Cheers,
Ruben
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Well said, Ruben.

Pixtu made a very good comment also, regarding being being aware and sensitive to our own conscience and culture in which we live in. Obviously, this is an area where we will never agree 100%, because many things color what each of us personally find acceptible.
 
sitemistic said:
I dunno. It just seems that in the quest to make the forum more image centric, the mods want adventure with security.
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how is talking about parental consent image centric?

this thread stopped being about images a long time ago.

and yes, my job here is to keep things in hand when needed.
we all saw what happens recently when a forum goes it without moderation.

joe
 
sitemistic said:
Talking about parental consent is extremely image centric. I can't shoot a group of school kids on a school campus who collected the most pennies for charity until the Principal does a computer search to determine which kids have parental consent to be photographed.
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sounds more like a legal problem than an image problem.
 
sitemistic said:
marke, I think in the pursuit of art, we need to learn to see the world as it really is instead of how we were told it was by our parents or how we wish it could be.
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I don't think it's as B&W as that (see I knew I could get photography back into the thread!). My parents, as I would assume yours also, had some good ideas of what the world is. As I mature and grow wiser, I allow myself to distinguish what many little tidbits of truth and wisdom they did teach me, and I appreciate and honor them for that.

And as far as wishing what it could be like, well, I'll never stop being a dreamer, I guess. :) So shoot me.

But make sure you get my good side. ;)
 
sitemistic said:
Too often these days image problems are legal problems. Again, because I'm confused, what is allowed when talking about images?

Don't forget, Ruben started this thread with praise for an image of a woman sitting on a street wearing nothing but a thong, surrounded by people, and taped off and labeled like a side of beef. I didn't see you intervening then. Is it o.k. to discuss images portraying women so negatively?
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i don't really see this as being about what is allowed or not. if this thread had gone into 'forbidden' territory, i would have edited it, or closed it or sent off some p.m.'s to the 'offenders'
i do see this as being about my responsibilty to keep things on track and this thread has been wandering for a while.
 
My last comment on this thread ...
sitemistic said:
Don't forget, Ruben started this thread with praise for an image of a woman sitting on a street wearing nothing but a thong, surrounded by people, and taped off and labeled like a side of beef. I didn't see you intervening then. Is it o.k. to discuss images portraying women so negatively?
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If your interpretation of that image is that it is portraying women so negatively, then ... wow.
 
Surely the woman was there as a political statement and wanted to be photographed for her animal rights or vegetarian beliefs or whatever.

She would have been very happy to been photographed since that was the entire point.
 
sitemistic said:
Or perhaps she was trying to make a statement about the treatment of women. But, yes, the point was to be photographed, I think.
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As a performance artist I would definitely get the impression that she intended to be seen. I don't know if her intent was to be photographed or not. Performance artists tend to focus on the performance rather than the recording of their performance. It is possible that she was making a statement about treatment of women - after all... some get leered at too frequently for their comfort, whether eye-to-eye or with a viewfinder in between. It is possible that she feels like a piece of meat.
 
ClaremontPhoto said:
But the point of 'More Beef' isn't about the woman, it's about the onlookers.
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an the point about demeaning women (by leering, etc.) isn't about the women, it's about the onlookers.
 
Peta

Peta

Let me make some observations:


  • The women in the photograph "More Beef" is a supporter of PETA and clearly feels strongly enough about animal rights to expose herself in this fashion so as to gain publicity. She expected and wanted to be photographed. I only spoke to her very briefly, but she is a very self-confident women who feels no shame about her body and what she was doing. Personally I admire young people who support a cause.


  • In this situation, the question about who is exploiting who is very complex. This young woman is happy/comfortable to exploit the "male gaze" as a way of getting publicity. PETA are happy to exploit her for their cause. The photographer (me) is happy to exploit the situation so as to get a good picture. But I think all reasonable people understand what is going on in this situation.


  • Of course, there is the question as to whether my image is "street photography" or simply a "publicity shot". Unlike the press photographers who were present, I came across this scene by accident. My goal was to get more than just a picture of a "scanty glad girl" that would look good in a newspaper and I made no attempt (as press photographers do) to set up the situation. Therefore I would argue that this is street photography.

Still an interesting thread :)
David
 
Gumby said:
a catchlight would have really enhanced the photo!
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It was cloudy and raining. I don't do flash :), but after some pictures yesterday I'm beginning to wonder if I should.

David
 
formal said:
Of course, there is the question as to whether my image is "street photography" or simply a "publicity shot". Unlike the press photographers who were present, I came across this scene by accident. My goal was to get more than just a picture of a "scanty glad girl" that would look good in a newspaper and I made no attempt (as press photographers do) to set up the situation. Therefore I would argue that this is street photography.
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Interesting! When I was doing my training, and later working as a newspaper photographer, I was taught that setting up a shot was the antithesis of photojournalism.
When I was sent out to cover an event I was there to witness and record, not participate and influence. I thought this was a worldwide standard but maybe it's not, or things have changed since my day.
My original comments on the photo (way back up there) reflected how I would have shot the scene in my PJ days. I wouldn't have dreamed of trying to pose the woman for a better shot!
It was this strict photojournalist ethic of not becoming part of the situation that lead me down the road to street photography. :cool:
 
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This is still an interesting thread.

To be perfectly honest, I think the original post was actually about how formal's photo- as well as many photos from Benilliam- have influenced Ruben's own approach to street photography.

To say the OP was particularly about formal's photo's affect on Ruben and why that was....well that came later.

As a result of this thread, I still am patiently awaiting a chance to put some of Ruben's newfound perspective to use in my own photography. As with everyone....time is a precious commodity that isn't easily obtained.
 
The Royal "we" refers to a concept that the "State" and the Monarch are one. "'L'Etat, c'est moi" as Loius 14th famously uttered.

In collective usage English and in conversation especially, it is correct to refer to a shared "crowd" or politic, or cocktail party circle (a discussion forum perhaps?) in the first person plural - "we". Particularly in the conditional. We might, we could etc. Its a method to share the idea - doesn't mean, of course, that you have to agree with the particular item.

"One" is an object and used, well, objectively, conceptually as in "theory". Gosh, I sound like a pendant. Just trying to help.
 
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