rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Consider: a stick-on EVF (call it a Visoflex IV) would open up the possibility to use R lenses and it would provide the ultimate R solution - and a system crossover for those who still shoot R on the DMR.
I think this is called NEX, m43 or EOS 5D.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
So wait for an M10... M11... M12..
Or decide that you'd rather shoot digi NOW. Or that you'd rather stick with film.
If you don't want an M9, why do you care what will happen when the M10 appears? Choose either the real world, or the fantasy world. Stop worrying about counterfactual conditionals.
Cheers,
R.
Or decide that you'd rather shoot digi NOW. Or that you'd rather stick with film.
If you don't want an M9, why do you care what will happen when the M10 appears? Choose either the real world, or the fantasy world. Stop worrying about counterfactual conditionals.
Cheers,
R.
robklurfield
eclipse
Ah. But will they skip the M13 over superstition? so many things for us to worry about in our daily lives.
andredossantos
Well-known
Except these mirrorless cameras still struggle with wider lenses and really arent built with non-native lenses in mind. Maybe they'll get better in the future but as of right now mounting M lenses on a Nex (or whatever) still is a compromise to me. And I'm not sure I have faith in Sony (or whomever else) to spend millions on R&D to ensure that a tiny fraction of their user base can mount their arcane lenses without bad corners and color shift when they are trying to hawk their own lenses.
LCT
ex-newbie
Not sure for others, but i don't want a €5.5/6K M9 and i do care what the M10 will be for sure. Why would i spend the big bucks for an interim camera with color shift issues and so-so results at high isos to be kind? The price of the M8.2 was €5K at the time of the M9 launch. The same is selling for more or less €2.5K on the s/h market as of now. I got mine in as-new condition for €2.2K and i don't expect to pay more than €3K for a s/h M9 if i don't acquire an M10 in the near future.
rogerzilla
Well-known
If you go back to my OP, my concern is that I'll be forced into digital should colour film and processing become unavailable.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Well, have they recently become unavailable where you live? Or is there any other reason why you bother about M9s and M10s now, as opposed to whatever M is on the market whenever that happens (if at all)? Is anyone forcing you to ditch film right now?
It seems that you're really worried about nothing at this point.
Yes, exactly. But the NEX appears to be a good 50mm equiv solution.
eleskin
Well-known
Nex 50mm solution
Nex 50mm solution
Yes, this is a good point where the NEX is a good camera for 50mm . In fact, with moving subjects, the focus peaking should work well with my Noctilux. By the way, from what I have seen on this forum , wide lenses do work well on the NEX 5n.
Nex 50mm solution
Yes, this is a good point where the NEX is a good camera for 50mm . In fact, with moving subjects, the focus peaking should work well with my Noctilux. By the way, from what I have seen on this forum , wide lenses do work well on the NEX 5n.
gfspencer
gfspencer
+1 When (if) the M10 comes along the M8, M8.2, and M9 will still be worth something.
I don't buy cameras as investments. There will always be a "new and improved" camera coming out.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
For me, that falls into the category of "I'll worry about it when it happens".
Cheers
R.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
No it is not. It would be called an M10 and use the Leicina adapter which I already use on my M9 for the Fisheye Elmarit R. The Eos is an SLR, the Nex is a point and shoot with an APS sensor and An M 4/3 is a panasonic with a 2x crop...
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
I can see where you're coming from with the NEX and M4/3 cameras, but complaining that the replacement for an SLR should be an SLR seems, well, odd.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Ah- well, I shoot the M9 side by side with the DMR in situations where I need backup for both systems. The M9 I can back up with a few R lenses, or a short zoom, but the DMR needs Visoflex and lesser long lens as backup. It would be very nice if I had full cross-system compatability preferably through an auxillary EVF.
Shade
Well-known
They will hold - the M8 actually is commanding a very strong pre-owned price considering the age and the crop sensor and other "discouraging" factors. Despite that, I still love an M8 with all it's flaws. I'm using an M9, but I will not have any hesitation to use an M8.
I don't think film will be gone in the next decade. Despite that the market is getting smaller, but I wouldn't render it completely obsolete. There is a different feel to film pictures, and no matter how digital tries to replicate it, it's just different. There will always be a market for film.
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Well, I agree with you up to a point - but if you intend on shooting sports and such other fast moving things it would be EASIER on the D700 - I'm not saying it's impossible on the M9 per say - but it's easier on the Nikon. While I myself don't have any dSLRs anymore, I find it rarely but occassionaly, I wish I have one just to make my life easier.
colonel
Established
as a contrary note, I wonder if the CCD will actually put people off, and thus depress prices, as there will be concerns about spares kept by Leica
colonel
Established
the Nex-7 is much more then a P&S
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Imacon is not my favorite company. Their long-term customer support is highly questionable. Just look at the way they sabotaged the DMR because of a corporate squabble....
Agree with Jaap. I worked for agency with 2 Imacons. They were constantly breaking down. They couldn't handle the workload. Their repair service was less then professional. The straw that broke the camel's back, was when service was on site, and were asking people for chewing gum to repair a scanner.
ramosa
B&W
Well said.
boomguy57
Well-known
The M9 is surely a very nice camera, but it's not a great camera from things I've read and real people I've talked to who own one (I've never actually handled one on my own). For a camera body that costs THAT much, it has to be perfect. For that reason, even if I had the money I wouldn't get one. The Leica fetishization is just crazy.
It's a shame that the RD-1 was Epson's last entry into the digital rangefinder market; that camera is getting on in years now and although it's stil functional, a few updates would really be nice at this point.
I'm hoping that the Fuji X-Pro1 (or X-Pro2 or X-Pro3) is good enough to challenge in this market. I think if the X-Pro1 is a hit, maybe Fuji will take a gamble on the full frame model and drive the Leica prices down. With no competition, and people drooling over their products, Leica can charge whatever they like.
In my dreams, I shoot with an M9; in my dreams, I also live in the Playboy mansion, drive Sean Connery's 1964 Aston Martin, and own a private jet.
In the real world, I shoot my M3 (with the same glass I'd have on my M9), tut around town in my Toyota, and fly in steerage...er, economy class.
Ciao.
It's a shame that the RD-1 was Epson's last entry into the digital rangefinder market; that camera is getting on in years now and although it's stil functional, a few updates would really be nice at this point.
I'm hoping that the Fuji X-Pro1 (or X-Pro2 or X-Pro3) is good enough to challenge in this market. I think if the X-Pro1 is a hit, maybe Fuji will take a gamble on the full frame model and drive the Leica prices down. With no competition, and people drooling over their products, Leica can charge whatever they like.
In my dreams, I shoot with an M9; in my dreams, I also live in the Playboy mansion, drive Sean Connery's 1964 Aston Martin, and own a private jet.
In the real world, I shoot my M3 (with the same glass I'd have on my M9), tut around town in my Toyota, and fly in steerage...er, economy class.
Ciao.