ikon see for mile & miles...

yes, the lights are going to give me trouble.
it already feels odd carrying a camera and no handheld meter in the bag.
but i want to try the zi on it's own. who know, perhaps i'll get used to it.

so, on the way home from work today, i stopped at my local camera store to show off the zi to one of the 'old timers' who really knows his stuff.
we pulled out the leica m7 with 35/2 from the showcase and started to compare.
first thing i noticed was how much heavier the leica was and i said so. the guy who knows his stuff said, 'i bet it's the lens'. huh, i said. he proceeded to remove the lenses from both bodies and damn! if the bodies were not about the same feel in my hands. the summi was way heavier than the biogon but with the bodies i could tell no difference.
the biogon is heavy enough as far as i am concerned.
the finder was not dramatically different but the zi did win out by a touch. body size was not much different when seated side by side. he liked that the frame lines had the focal length written in the finder.
he noticed a resemblance to the cle, as had i, but he liked that the zi was bigger. 'never could get used to the cle' he said.

i like to talking to people who hold no bias and who know their stuff.

i bought a couple of rolls of delta 100, a new big micro fiber cloth and a 43mm uv filter (a cokin glass hi resolution filter) and was on my way.

joe
 
back alley said:
so, on the way home from work today, i stopped at my local camera store to show off the zi to one of the 'old timers' who really knows his stuff.
we pulled out the leica m7 with 35/2 from the showcase and started to compare.
first thing i noticed was how much heavier the leica was and i said so. the guy who knows his stuff said, 'i bet it's the lens'. huh, i said. he proceeded to remove the lenses from both bodies and damn! if the bodies were not about the same feel in my hands. the summi was way heavier than the biogon but with the bodies i could tell no difference.
the biogon is heavy enough as far as i am concerned.
the finder was not dramatically different but the zi did win out by a touch. body size was not much different when seated side by side. he liked that the frame lines had the focal length written in the finder.
he noticed a resemblance to the cle, as had i, but he liked that the zi was bigger. 'never could get used to the cle' he said.

i like to talking to people who hold no bias and who know their stuff.

i bought a couple of rolls of delta 100, a new big micro fiber cloth and a 43mm uv filter (a cokin glass hi resolution filter) and was on my way.

joe
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When you get the M3 in hand, you will notice a significant weight difference (I know I did when I held both in my hand at the store). The M3 is very hefty. Also, the M3's finder is very nice, and many people love it, but it doesn't hold a candle to the finder in the ZI from my experience. I'm truly jealous of you, though. You have in your arsenal three of my favorite cameras. The M3 or M2 would be my choice if I wanted a 'classic' camera, the ZI would be my choice if I could only own one camera, period, and the P has always been my dream LTM cam.

Oh, regarding that MF you bought. If you're using it for cleaning lenses and stuff, when you wash it, make sure you wash it with LIQUID detergent (with NO bleach), on the most gentle cycle. When you dry it, do so without fabric softener and again the most gentle cycle (or air dry). My other passion is automotive detailing, and I own about 100 microfiber towels, and if they touch paint, they are all washed exactly like that. I don't know how often you'd need to wash a lens cloth, but I just figured I'd put that out there. If washed incorrectly, a cloth can leave marks on paint, which I'm sure can also be made on a lens element. I know that washing method seems a bit extreme, but better safe than sorry.
 
hey kyle!
i only wash my cloths (i only have maybe 6) in cold water with liquid detergent and then i air dry them only.

as for cameras, you will soon have the p, already have the m3 and my having the zeiss is a wonderful fluke and not something that would have happened on my own.
but you will love the p and honestly, i doubt that you could have found a better one.

i read that you're waiting on an m4=p, is that right?
how 'bout some details then...?

joe
 
Yeah, I'm buying George S's M4-P. I just can't decide what I want and people put stuff up for sale and I have to buy it! :D
 
You had mentioned in another thread about using a half-case to dampen the shutter volume.
How's that working for you? I'm hoping to decide on a second body soon and the ZI is very tempting!

Way
 
with the case on it is pretty quiet.
i have not shot in a churc like environment yet and i rarely do but today at the market i was shooting away in close proximity to lots of people and not one looked my way.
 
back alley said:
with the case on it is pretty quiet.
i have not shot in a churc like environment yet and i rarely do but today at the market i was shooting away in close proximity to lots of people and not one looked my way.
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Does Luigi make a case for the P?
 
ray_g said:
Does Luigi make a case for the P?
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Funny you ask. I just sent him an email yesterday about it and received this email last night.

Dear Kyle,

I own the Canon P camera, then I can gladly make it
Upon a your request, and confirmed (paid for) order.

Despite it would be for me a new model, I ask you the
Usual, "flat" price for a my half case, of $ 155 + the
Desired strap ($ 42, or $ 58), + the preferred shipping,
($ 13 by Registered Air Mail, or $ 28 by Fedex).
Lastly, $ 2 ONLY if a fully insured shipping is required.
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He then gave me options to how to pay, etc. But yes, he will make one if requested.
 
kyle said:
Funny you ask. I just sent him an email yesterday about it and received this email last night.



He then gave me options to how to pay, etc. But yes, he will make one if requested.
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Excellent ;)

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ok, i'm about to admit something that will, pretty much for sure, show me to be a complete maroon!
i have lived in the frozen north for about 30+ years now.
i have never used cases cause i mostly don't like them.
i have used luigi's case cause it's expensive, great looking and he gifted me with it and i'm a polite respectful italian kind of guy.
the dumb part?
well, if i use a case when out in the cold...my hands don't freeze to the flippin' camera!!!

;)
 
back alley said:
ok, i'm about to admit something that will, pretty much for sure, show me to be a complete maroon!
i have lived in the frozen north for about 30+ years now.
i have never used cases cause i mostly don't like them.
i have used luigi's case cause it's expensive, great looking and he gifted me with it and i'm a polite respectful italian kind of guy.
the dumb part?
well, if i use a case when out in the cold...my hands don't freeze to the flippin' camera!!!

;)
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Or you could use gloves. ;)
 
back alley said:
ok, i'm about to admit something that will, pretty much for sure, show me to be a complete maroon!
i have lived in the frozen north for about 30+ years now.
i have never used cases cause i mostly don't like them.
i have used luigi's case cause it's expensive, great looking and he gifted me with it and i'm a polite respectful italian kind of guy.
the dumb part?
well, if i use a case when out in the cold...my hands don't freeze to the flippin' camera!!!
;)
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Joe,

Try on some neoprene shooter's gloves at your local sporting goods store.

R.J.
 
just so i don't look like a complete dolt...i do use gloves when i'm out in the cold. but with the case...i don't have to!
and i prefer not to, that's the good part.

joe
 
Thanks! Looks like I'll save a lot of cash with the ZI! I think I'll ATTEMPT to wait
for the black body. It'll be a good contrast to my silver MP.

Way

back alley said:
with the case on it is pretty quiet.
i have not shot in a churc like environment yet and i rarely do but today at the market i was shooting away in close proximity to lots of people and not one looked my way.
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back alley said:
just so i don't look like a complete dolt...i do use gloves when i'm out in the cold. but with the case...i don't have to!
and i prefer not to, that's the good part.

joe
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I've never fully understood the "don't use a lower case" argument. Yes, it saves a little heft and size to "go nude" but the benefits - such as cold and drop protection seem to be reasonable tradeoffs.

But then again, oh horrors :eek: , I use UV/Skylight filters!
 
gee frank, and here i was thinking of doing some nude self portraits...

on a more serious note, the zi is repacked in it's box and then in another box and will be shipped back to california tomorrow.
kinda sad but i think it's best to get it right from the beginning.
i have 2 rolls of film taken with it that i need to process. no great art, just some snaps done as quick practice and to see what the lens looks like. i will post a few (no matter how poor) so you all can see for yourselves also.

so for now, it's back to the p and waiting on the m3.

thanks to victor m, i found some ltm to m adapters new and in canada for a good price, so i can shoot the m with abandon.

joe
 
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