bmattock
Veteran
Yes, I have, haven't I?
The use of irony is intentional, although I know it sometimes causes discomfort. Kindly forgive me my methods, I did not intend to be patronizing.
jody36
Well-known
The main thing is who cares and why should they? I post photos I really Like and really dont care if everyone likes them, just someone. And to bring us back to the first post of this thread I would not be rude to someone who was to me, well hopefully not. Does remind me of when I did post on photosig trying to improve my pics. I learned a few things but what I learned most was people complained about some things on my pics that I planned that way. And the most irritating thing was people giving me or anyone a thumbs done and saying model was ugly. I left that site thinking it was mostly Bull----. I do flickr to share with family and friends. I add contacts of people who photos I like or who likes mine. Its called photo sharing. I personally like different things in different pics. Anyway I think this is most Ive said on here.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Link, please? Something tells me I would like these photos a lot.
tbm
Established
At least once a month, every year, after I have exposed an entire roll of black and white film containing either a certain theme throughout or everything captured in one geographical location, I mail that roll to a professional photographer who uses the same Leica equipment I do. I also enclose a letter explaining each image in terms of composition and what film developer I used. I then ask him to analyze each image and he always does that. He then prepares and sends me a response which always includes congratulations, suggestions, and recommended corrections regarding his findings. I have never met this photographer, but since we live on opposite coasts we communicate via phone and mail regularly and satisfactorily. I always deeply appreciate his points of view, opinions, and, if applicable, recommendations and corrections because I learn so much therefrom. I deal with Flickr the same way: If I think an image is impressive, I mark it as a favorite and most of the time congratulate the capturer. On the other hand, as per the instance I previously mentioned, if I see dozens of people applauding an inferior image, sometimes (not always, therefore) I post a comment as a wake-up call to the capturer to re-examine his or her image with my finding(s) in mind. That is never, therefore, to issue a verbal spanking but rather, again, simply to issue a wake-up call so as to enlighten them about the fact that the error or omission, if not repeated, will result in much better and impressive image capturing and posting; in other words, more personal satisfaction.
M. Valdemar
Well-known
Let's face it, 99% of self-posted photos stink.
People don't want to hear that. They want to be praised. Their ego and self-image is at stake.
If you tell them their photos stink, they get angry. They say things like "I do the photos to please myself" etc etc.
RFF is a gear forum. The people here, for the most part, like to play with gear, debate gear, and indulge their fetish/fantasies about gear. They become crazed with the minutia of gear performance to an insane extent, far more so than a working photographer would be concerned. They ascribe preposterous mystical qualities to lenses and camera bodies.
They wax rhapsodic over "art", "meaning" and so forth, but they are pretty much talentless gear enthusiasts who occasionally attempt to take a few photos to justify their absorption with gear.
If you perform triage on their horrible photos, as a professional editor would, and call them on their lousy photos, you will hear every rationalization conceivable to the human mind to deflect the truth, and they will angrily and self-righteously shoot the messenger.
The self-posted internet is a vast wasteland of blank canvas without editors.
People don't want to hear that. They want to be praised. Their ego and self-image is at stake.
If you tell them their photos stink, they get angry. They say things like "I do the photos to please myself" etc etc.
RFF is a gear forum. The people here, for the most part, like to play with gear, debate gear, and indulge their fetish/fantasies about gear. They become crazed with the minutia of gear performance to an insane extent, far more so than a working photographer would be concerned. They ascribe preposterous mystical qualities to lenses and camera bodies.
They wax rhapsodic over "art", "meaning" and so forth, but they are pretty much talentless gear enthusiasts who occasionally attempt to take a few photos to justify their absorption with gear.
If you perform triage on their horrible photos, as a professional editor would, and call them on their lousy photos, you will hear every rationalization conceivable to the human mind to deflect the truth, and they will angrily and self-righteously shoot the messenger.
The self-posted internet is a vast wasteland of blank canvas without editors.
bmattock
Veteran
I'm sorry, I don't recall the name anymore, but their discussion forum was closed anyway, you can't read it unless you're a member (I never was).
They essentially have two groups set up, one looks like one of those "You're the Greatest" groups with those insipid balloons and stars and spangles, and their members go forth and find the ugliest, least worthy photos they can find on Flickr, and they decide which one to gang-praise. Then they paste it with positive comments and 'awards'.
In some cases, they follow up with different members of the same group who start tearing the photo apart.
The intent is to create chaos, make the person who posted the photo angry, upset, or even delete the photo or leave Flickr entirely, or to get maximum enjoyment out of making someone feel great about their horrible photo. Evil little group, methinks.
Sorry I don't recall the name. I was looking for the forum where I first read about it, but can't find it now.
bmattock
Veteran
With regard to the arrangement you have with the photographer who has agreed to provide critiques of your photos, bravo. With regard to your transference of that to some unknown person on Flickr who has not asked for your critique, I fail to see the parallel. You have not been asked to 'improve' anyone.
M. Valdemar
Well-known
bmattock
Veteran
I think the percentage is higher than that.
And that is wrong because? Very few people wish to have the things they create torn apart. The reaction is quite to be expected - either to feign disinterest and disaffectedness, or to attack their attacker. So?
Perfectly normal reaction. You'd prefer they do what?
Quite true. Nothing much wrong with that. Well, except the execrable, tedious, and unending discussions of camera bags, but I'm getting better at ignoring those.
I would not know, and have not made that assumption, but it could well be true. I seldom bother with the RFF gallery, because it does not interest me. Everyone who posts here may be an excellent photographer, or they may mostly stink on ice. Some whose photographs I have seen posted inline, are quite good IMHO. The point here is - I don't care. I also don't care how well they drive their cars or what their golf handicap is.
True enough. Perhaps at least partially because there aren't any real editors hereabouts that I'm aware of, and in any case, in only a few cases have people asked to have that sort of dissection done on their work.
It is hardly blank. More of a Jackson Pollock effect, as I see it. Not that I think that highly of Jackson Pollock.
bmattock
Veteran
I'm not as obvious as that. My methods of immanentizing the eschaton are hopefully a tad more subtle, and certainly don't involve freaking the mundanes.
maddoc
... likes film again.
"M.Valdemar" just disappeared from RFF ?
Thardy
Veteran
What do you mean?
maddoc
... likes film again.
No more "PM" option, no avatar photo ... just wondering what happened.
Gumby
Veteran
rapture? ?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Someone in power finally pressed his button ... the one that says 'banned!?'
maddoc
... likes film again.
... that was my impression, too.
antistatic
Well-known
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Another reason I'm glad I'm going to hell.:angel:
gdi
Veteran
Ha!
Don't worry he'll be back - he also posts as Petroleum Nasby, unless he has been banned as well.