Is Photography Art?

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Yes it is

Andy

 

[ch1]

Tarzak,

Give Cheeta a brush and some paint.
Do you like these?

Would you pay £12,000 for 3 abstract paintings by a CHIMP?

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4109664.stm


R.J.

Well, RJ, actually these are quite good paintings - nice composition and use of colors. Perhaps other species besides our own have a desire to "express" their emotions visually?

 

[RJBender]

Well, RJ, actually these are quite good paintings - nice composition and use of colors. Perhaps other species besides our own have a desire to "express" their emotions visually?

I actually like them, George. £12,000 seems kind of steep considering that the paintings are unsigned.

My point was that Tarzak's statement, art is what sets us apart from animals, is not always true.

R.J.

 

[ch1]

I actually like them, George. £12,000 seems kind of steep considering that the paintings are unsigned.

My point was that Tarzak's statement, art is what sets us apart from animals, is not always true.

R.J.

RJ,

Oh and on that I agree. My fault for coming in late to the thread.

As I understand it, the chimp Koko at the Yerkes Institute has developed quite a following for her art. Apparently she is very particular about how she paints. She ponders which colors whe wants to use and takes as much or as little time as she needs for each painting.

And, she does stop when she is "done". She doesn't just splatter paint until she tires of doing so. Sometimes she only does a few brush strokes before indicating a particular composition is "done" and then she leaves it. Other times she paints intricate and multi-colored and layered compositions.

Quite sophisticated artistry. 😉

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

Tracy who?

 

[Andy K]

My point was that Tarzak's statement, art is what sets us apart from animals, is not always true.

R.J.

True. The gull that dropped this monster on my car was certainly an artist.

 

[ch1]

This reminds me of a Gary Larson "Far Side" cartoon!

My goodness, did you call the Fire Department to hose that thing off? 😀

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

True. The gull that dropped this monster on my car was certainly an artist.

I see the conflict of the freedom of flight with the enslavement of a mobile cage. If I take a few steps back I see the expression "I"; an individuality crying out to be. As I get closer it strikes me of the inner resolve of letting go the sustenance found on land from which it parted, now returned.

And that crap is what adds the right-side zeros. I see crap on a windshield. Or just about.

 

[RJBender]

True. The gull that dropped this monster on my car was certainly an artist.

Hurry up and drive your car to the Bonhams auction house in London!

R.J.

 

[Andy K]

This reminds me of a Gary Larson "Far Side" cartoon!

My goodness, did you call the Fire Department to hose that thing off? 😀

Hell no! I left it on there for a few days so I could show people! 😀

 

[RJBender]

Tracy who?

Gabriel,

Is this art?

source: http://departments.vassar.edu/~jamundy/Everyone1.html

R.J.

 

[Andy K]

Tracy who?

She made this or didn't make it as the case may be... 🙄

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

Wow. Well, then: I knew lots of master artists when I was in college; if they only knew they could have paid their way that way.

 

[Bertram2]

The debate ahs been going on for well over a hundred years, somehow I dont think "Sebastian Smee" has nailed it in one article

No, somehow he did not. He rather seems to overstrain his intellectual capacities. The question is really age old , and still as wrong and therefore irrelevant as it has been when it was asked the first time in the 19th century. To discuss it leads nowhere.

A better approach to the art/no-art discussion would be the question "Who is an artist ? And why ?"

Because "art" is an invention of those who invented the art business.So if something is art does not depend on beeing an artists output or a non-artists output, it depends solely on the stamp those peddling experts have made on it, from what reason ever.

Bertram

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

"Who is an artist ? And why ?"

There's a purple dinosaur that would say "everyone!"

 

[Tarzak]

I just knew, chimp art would raise its spectre.
They are our closest animal relatives (and handy tool users).
So to amend the statement:
"art is what sets us and the monkeys apart from other animals".
Not quite as succinct.
And to get in first, spiders are designers.






now I've gone and thought myself into a corner. (no that's not art, that's performance.








or is that art too?)


my head hurts. back to work for me.

 

[Oldprof]

I see the conflict of the freedom of flight with the enslavement of a mobile cage ... the expression "I"; an individuality crying out to be. As I get closer it strikes me of the inner resolve of letting go the sustenance found on land from which it parted, now returned ...

Very good! 😀