bwcolor
Veteran
Ken Rockwell seems to object to the motor advance of the M9.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/m9/versus-m3.htm
"The most obvious difference is that the the M9 is a clunky motorized beast compared to the silky M3."
"The M9 by comparison is a clunky beast, with its notchy shutter release, noisy motorized advance..."
I love my M3, but what is getting advanced, the shutter?
http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/m9/versus-m3.htm
"The most obvious difference is that the the M9 is a clunky motorized beast compared to the silky M3."
"The M9 by comparison is a clunky beast, with its notchy shutter release, noisy motorized advance..."
I love my M3, but what is getting advanced, the shutter?
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
Yes, the shutter has to re-cock, so there is some noise. Not much though. I mean, really, not much. I have a vilified M8 with original 1/8000 "loud" shutter and it's definitely quiet enough for me. It's not like my M4, to be sure, but it's a digital camera, it can't be like a finely tuned film M.
When used in "discreet" mode, the shutter sound pulse is different from the cloth M bodies, but it is not louder. Just different. The cocking of the shutter curtains has a duration, so it sounds louder to the user, but to a person who is being photographed, it may not even be noticed. The M9 shutter and re-cocking sound is a few decibels quieter than the M8.
Phil Forrest
When used in "discreet" mode, the shutter sound pulse is different from the cloth M bodies, but it is not louder. Just different. The cocking of the shutter curtains has a duration, so it sounds louder to the user, but to a person who is being photographed, it may not even be noticed. The M9 shutter and re-cocking sound is a few decibels quieter than the M8.
Phil Forrest
ZeissFan
Veteran
We should always separate fact from opinion. In this case, it's his opinion that adding a motor to a Leica M has turned it into a beast.
Certainly, not everyone feels this way.
Certainly, not everyone feels this way.
Olsen
Well-known
I have the old M8 with the 1/8000 'loud', supposedly, shutter. I find it very quite compared to just any pro digital camera I know.
atlcruiser
Part Yeti
My M8 sounds like a trash can lid hitting the curb compared to my M6. M6/M4P both have a very nice, solid "thunk" where the M8 has a loud, almost raspy/crunchy sound. Trashcan like is the best way I can describe it.
It took me about a year to save up for that trashcan sound
Not the end of the world at all....ken just need to complain about the M9 so that people read and refrence him....as we are doing right now . More flame = more hits on his site
It took me about a year to save up for that trashcan sound
Not the end of the world at all....ken just need to complain about the M9 so that people read and refrence him....as we are doing right now
. More flame = more hits on his site
I've been shooting with a new F3HP and my M8. The F3HP is on its second roll of film. It is louder than the M8. Even with the mirror locked up, side-by-side it is sharper in sound. Compared to the M3 and Kodak Retina's, both are louder.
I just do not get what the complaints are about. Maybe Rockwell shoots with an M3. Or a Retina?
I just do not get what the complaints are about. Maybe Rockwell shoots with an M3. Or a Retina?
maggieo
More Deadly
I thought Ken was using an M7 these days?
maggieo
More Deadly
My F3HP has many virtues and is a wonderful camera, but it certainly isn't quiet!
mathomas
Well-known
I hate to say it, but compared to a film M, I find my M8 to be clunky. Shutter sound, body size, balance, etc. And get this, I got my M2 after the M8, so it's not just me being used to the film feel. I vastly prefer the M2's operation, feel, and handling.
Now if only there were a digital M2.
Now if only there were a digital M2
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ederek
Well-known
Shot in a dark, quiet alley in Cambridge, MA...
M9, 50lux asph, 1/12 sec, ISO 640 (no processing).
The discreet mode helps quite a bit - have shot almost exclusively in this mode since getting the unit. Continuous mode makes a bit different/louder sound, but have precious little use of that mode either.
It may be slightly louder than the M4's (don't notice much of a difference), but for sure I've hit the shutter on the M9 during some coffee-shop style acoustic music shoots where I never would have pressed the shutter with the 5D...
M9, 50lux asph, 1/12 sec, ISO 640 (no processing).
The discreet mode helps quite a bit - have shot almost exclusively in this mode since getting the unit. Continuous mode makes a bit different/louder sound, but have precious little use of that mode either.
It may be slightly louder than the M4's (don't notice much of a difference), but for sure I've hit the shutter on the M9 during some coffee-shop style acoustic music shoots where I never would have pressed the shutter with the 5D...