Is the M9 price falling with the stock market?

[FrozenInTime]

Not to a dyed-in-the-wool Leica connoisseur. However, a new entrant to the brand does not think our way. Having said that, I sold my M 240 and my M9 is sitting unused since I bought the CL. And me a Leica M user since 1976...🙄

M user since 1984. My M9-P was sitting unused since it came back from sensor upgrade last year.
Having a M10 and film Ms; after trialing a TL2 with M adapter, I was impressed and sold the M9-P and all my Hasselblad lenses bar the 80mm to fund a CL and TL lenses. I even like the kit zoom 😱
I think the CL and it’s small lenses is having a bigger influence than the SL for many a M user.
I felt the M9 was a liability.

 

[David Hughes]

A lot of factors affect prices, especially for second-hand stuff.

People come back from holiday and the bills come in, get paid and then the festive season looms and they start planning but not spending. The we get nearer to Christmas and they start to spend. Then in January the bills come in and so it goes on, and on, and on...

Regards, David

 

[jaapv]

M user since 1984. My M9-P was sitting unused since it came back from sensor upgrade last year.
Having a M10 and film Ms; after trialing a TL2 with M adapter, I was impressed and sold the M9-P and all my Hasselblad lenses bar the 80mm to fund a CL and TL lenses. I even like the kit zoom 😱
I think the CL and it’s small lenses is having a bigger influence than the SL for many a M user.
I felt the M9 was a liability.

Actually I think the CL is the true carrier of the Leica concept: High quality in all aspects, small, light and versatile, as little as possible between the photographer and the subject.
That "kit zoom" is a superb lens and bears no relationship to run-of-the-mill "kit zooms" of other brands 🙂.

 

[Michael Markey]

Actually I think the CL is the true carrier of the Leica concept: High quality in all aspects, small, light and versatile, as little as possible between the photographer and the subject.
That "kit zoom" is a superb lens and bears no relationship to run-of-the-mill "kit zooms" of other brands 🙂.

From what I`ve read your assessment of the CL is correct.

As regards the earlier comment made regarding the lack of rangefinder I think in todays world that simply denotes a shape of camera.

 

[Emile de Leon]

M9 is getting pretty old now..and in 5 years..well.
...maybe they should just reissue it..
Used Leica is in a bubble pricewise..part of the Leica myth and strategy..
Probably what camera dealers are actually payin for them wholesale.. is the real price they are worth on the high end..
But if you want a rangefinder..there is only 1..
CL..seems to be a nice cam..but no flippy screen..no rangefinder..nope..

 

[Rob-F]

It is the popularity of the CL. A cheaper "real Leica" with better image quality, new at a similar price.

Uh, better image quality? Better than my M9? In what way? I'm pretty happy with my M9. Well, if prices keep falling, maybe I'll add an M9P. I know, it doesn't really do anything that my M9 can't. And I don't really need a quieter shutter. But I like its looks! But it wouldn't occur to me to need a CL. What is the crop factor, 1.5:1?

 

[mark_pw]

Uh, better image quality? Better than my M9? In what way? I'm pretty happy with my M9. Well, if prices keep falling, maybe I'll add an M9P. I know, it doesn't really do anything that my M9 can't. And I don't really need a quieter shutter. But I like its looks! But it wouldn't occur to me to need a CL. What is the crop factor, 1.5:1?

Talking about look. I think the M10 is great. It's of the same shape of film M6.

I think it's the fate of digital Leica to have a falling price. The falling stock market is just a catalyst to give it a push. :bang:

 

[Alberti]

A Leica M9 is part beautifull camera in your hands but part outdated electronic device just like an Iphone 5. To make matters worse it´s electronics corrode.

Yes, I have had corrosion detected at the inspection (take-in department) of Leitz in Solms of the mechanics (plugs and switches) in both the M8 and MM1 when I sent them in for maintenance. So yes - from my experience and from what I read from others - that first generation of camera had electronics parts that have a propensity to corrode.
That kind of thing should also have lead to a faster falling price.

People just kept them for their superior pictures (color, depth and liquidity of image derived from the true CCD) compared to the newer sibling M and now with the M10 that at last (but enough?) seems like a big improvement to them.]​

 

[jaapv]

Uh, better image quality? Better than my M9? In what way? I'm pretty happy with my M9. Well, if prices keep falling, maybe I'll add an M9P. I know, it doesn't really do anything that my M9 can't. And I don't really need a quieter shutter. But I like its looks! But it wouldn't occur to me to need a CL. What is the crop factor, 1.5:1?

I find a crop factor completely irrelevant for judging a camera. i have an M9, Monochrom1 and CL. Of the three I use the CL daily and the MM when I feel like taking B&W. The M9 sees little use. I like the output from the CL better.

 

[willie_901]

For people shooting black cats in a moonless night and want to push shadows +5 ...

Believe it or not, the sensor characteristics that enable "shooting black cats in a moonless night and want to push shadows +5" are also make a difference when shooting in very bright light and letting shadows be shadows. Both situations benefit from high signal-to-noise ratios and in digital imaging signal-to-noise is the limiting factor.

...And I'm absolutely confident that the majority of M8/9's will work flawlessly the next 10 years too.

In 2010 many people who bought M9s in 2010 thought that too. But in 2015 they realized things turned out differently.
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[David Hughes]

BTW, I don't see a link because, in all the years I've been reading about them new and secon-hand, I've never seen or heard someone say I think I'll sell some of my shares in ........... and buy an M9 or any other camera.


Regards, David

 

[mod2001]

Believe it or not, the sensor characteristics that enable "shooting black cats in a moonless night and want to push shadows +5" are also make a difference when shooting in very bright light and letting shadows be shadows. Both situations benefit from high signal-to-noise ratios and in digital imaging signal-to-noise is the limiting factor

The limiting factor is more often the mindset of people who think they can't take good photos without the newest available (sensor technology) 😉 And again, we are talking about the M9 and their typical and mostly private usage, a camera which was capable to deliver great photos in 2010 and I can't absolutely no reason, let alone proof, why it shouldn't do the same in 2018 or 2025.

Juergen

 

[colker]

The limiting factor is more often the mindset of people who think they can't take good photos without the newest available (sensor technology) 😉 And again, we are talking about the M9 and their typical and mostly private usage, a camera which was capable to deliver great photos in 2010 and I can't absolutely no reason, let alone proof, why it shouldn't do the same in 2018 or 2025.

Juergen

It´s a digital camera, Leica or not. Digital cameras lose value every week. Because digital technology is entirely different from film cameras: the camera is the film. Try selling an outdated batch of color film and see what happens!
Sure you can shoot good pictures on an M9, M8, Epson or on afreaking nikon D100.... but new CMOS sensors are on a whole new level. Not only that but Leica cannot service old sensors like it can fix old film cameras. How fun is that?
People´s mindset is limiting on every camera.

 

[Archiver]

It is the popularity of the CL. A cheaper "real Leica" with better image quality, new at a similar price.

Jaap, I tend to trust your judgement in all things Leica, particularly the M range. It's surprising to see you say that the CL has better image quality than the M9, as I find it difficult to believe that a camera based on a modern 24mp aps-c sensor would have better IQ than the M9. I haven't tried a CL yet, and I'm always on the lookout for something from Leica which beats the M9 as a lower cost, so I'm interested in what makes you say that.

 

[jsrockit]

The price of M9 has been hovering around $3500 for some time.

I've recently found the price of M9 at $2500. 😱 Like this one.

They've been $2500 for a long time and honestly, it is still too much. The camera is 9 years old now.

 

[shawn]

Uh, better image quality? Better than my M9? In what way? I'm pretty happy with my M9. Well, if prices keep falling, maybe I'll add an M9P. I know, it doesn't really do anything that my M9 can't. And I don't really need a quieter shutter. But I like its looks! But it wouldn't occur to me to need a CL. What is the crop factor, 1.5:1?

From an objective standpoint the CL has several stops more dynamic range. In other words it will either capture 2 stops more shadow details or 2 stops more highlight detail depending upon how you want to think about it. That is directly related to its better high ISO abilities.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica%20CL,Leica%20M9

Shawn

 

[raid]

This is proof of how many people value old Leica cameras. The M9 is/was a great camera. It really is.

 

[colker]

This is proof of how many people value old Leica cameras. The M9 is/was a great camera. It really is.

Only Leica can pull that: if Nikon, Fuji or Canon had you send one of their models back to japan to replace a corroded sensor, their rep would be destroyed. But Leica does it and still charges 8k on their next model.:angel:

 

[raid]

Leica is still "in". It is a symbol of top quality.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Here is about low light M9 bashing. Almost all of the pictures I posted on this page https://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124201&page=45 are low light.

This one was published in local press:
https://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2833493&postcount=1788

And I took these pictures under light condition. which production truck crew described as dark.

https://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2844091&postcount=1792