Is the M9 price falling with the stock market?

[Michael Markey]

Sorry I understood little of that.
You seem to be making a number of different unrelated points there.
I wasn`t speaking in a personal capacity ….my gear is modest but I don`t associate the terms jewellery and decadence with photographic gear …. its just gear.
Neither do I associate Nikon or indeed any other brand with creative photography.

I only associate individual photographers with creativity.

"but the masses can laugh at m digital leicas becoming paper weights".
What relevance does that have to anything ?

 

[colker]

Sorry I understood little of that.

I am sure somebody eventually will understand.

 

[ptpdprinter]

The 18 -55 is big and brings too much attention while shooting.

And I thought it was holding a black box in front of your face that draws attention.

 

[colker]

And I thought it was holding a black box in front of your face that draws attention.

My x30 has a tiny silver zoom on an already tiny silver camera. Fuji could sell a zoom w/ the size of their 23mm and make it silver.
There goes away the black box.
If you are selling a half frame sensor than at least make everything small

 

[jsrockit]

The X100 looks more like an old yashica rangefinder to me w/ it´s fixed lens.
The x pro w/ it´s many lenses is more like leica but yeah... the contax is the basis for the xpro. Not Leica.

 

[jsrockit]

My x30 has a tiny silver zoom on an already tiny silver camera. Fuji could sell a zoom w/ the size of their 23mm and make it silver.
There goes away the black box.
If you are selling a half frame sensor than at least make everything small

You are comparing a tiny sensor to apsc.

 

[jsrockit]

Small like the zoom on the fuji x30.

The 18 -55 is big and brings too much attention while shooting.

You bring attention to yourself when shooting not a little zoom.

 

[colker]

You bring attention to yourself when shooting not a little zoom.

A smaller camera strapped on your shoulder calls less attention than a bigger camera. The lens is the biggest culprit.

 

[colker]

You are comparing a tiny sensor to apsc.

I know but i am sure fuji engineers can flex their skills and come up w/ a better design than those 18_55.

Small is the new black.

btw.. that tiny sensor can give some interesting images.

 

[colker]

Visually very different. The feel at your hands is even more different. The Fuji X100reminds me of 70s japanese rangefinders and there isn´t anything wrong w/that.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

If you don´t print big why the need for a 3k prime lens?

I have no 3K lens. I have 1.1K USD purchased new Leica prime lens and used 950 USD Leica prime lens.
1.1K Leica lens is visible on 8x10 darkroom prints, in comparison with similar non Leica made.
950 USD at some point is going to be replaced by couple of non Leica made ones. Or another 1K used Leica made.
I have used 750 $ used Leica lens before at it was very different on 8x10 darkroom prints, comparing to non Leica similar ones.

I don't have photo gear special insurance, don't want 3K lens without it on streets and travel. Old Lux 35 is close to 3K lens now.

 

[Alberti]

" Is the M9 price falling with the stock market?"

I wish. The M9 was introduced in September 2009. The Dow was at ~9700. Today the Dow closed at 25017.

I'm glad the price did not go up with the stock market.

When the market moves to a bear market, luxury goods might get a slapping. Except the best branded, to signify and defy.

 

[jsrockit]

Visually very different. The feel at your hands is even more different. The Fuji X100reminds me of 70s japanese rangefinders and there isn´t anything wrong w/that.

OK then... To me that self timer / vf switch between the two says it all. And in the hand? Come on... Film and digital all feel different in the hand.

 

[jsrockit]

A smaller camera strapped on your shoulder calls less attention than a bigger camera. The lens is the biggest culprit.

I'm 6'2" tall and a gringo... In Santiago Chile. I doubt my camera is what sticks out.

 

[shawn]

It is a heavy cropper. And this is it. Limited to its own and not so suatable for manual focusing lenses. And it has no rangefinder.

You can MF any lens on the Fuji using the ERF mode just fine. Not a RF but a different way of doing it.

Shawn

 

[shawn]

It seems i could use those leica lenses on a Fuji...can I? Main reason for a Leica is manual focus and zone focusing. I don´t care for autofocus. Fuji looks like a rangefinder but fuji lenses have no distance marks on the lens. What´s the point of an optical vf if you don´t zone focus?

A few Fuji lenses do have distance scales on them. You can also zone focus on any of the Fuji lenses easily, and change it without removing the camera from your eye. Turn on the distance scale in the OVF.

The point of an OVF isn't to zone focus or not. It is to see outside of the frame and to see everything all in focus. That happens on the XP1/XP2 no matter how you are focusing.

Shawn

 

[Ko.Fe.]

A smaller camera strapped on your shoulder calls less attention than a bigger camera. The lens is the biggest culprit.

Lens, camera size is only something to be worry about been selected for robbery.

If you are talking about small. New black for this insuspisios aura it is self indulgence.
Winograd and Bresson didn't hide thier silver Leica. Winograd last 28 was Canadian huge 28 2,8.

It comes with practice and respect to people, I took 16-35 2.8 huge and heavy lens on silver EOS and walked into the crowd @16mm end.
Nobody cared, because was taking it openly and close.
At the end i switched to black R2M and tiny J-3. Because 16-35:stopped to communicate with plastic EOS bayonet 🙂

Look for Janku Nashimura videos. He is using silver 50 fast and not small prime and silver film M. He has one of the best candid pictures in modern world,

 

[shawn]

The ccd love is denial most of the time. My D700 which has a great ccd sensor at 200 asa fails miserably above 1000 asa.
Digital images are supposed to be tweaked at photo shop or other programs. Get your cmos image and work those colors.

The D700 has a CMOS sensor in it.

Shawn

 

[Ko.Fe.]

You can MF any lens on the Fuji using the ERF mode just fine. Not a RF but a different way of doing it.

Shawn

I hope in this mode they avoid viewing through f8-11 issues under low light.
Maybe it is not a problem with EVF/OVF.

 

[colker]

I'm 6'2" tall and a gringo... In Santiago Chile. I doubt my camera is what sticks out.

I feel better w/ a smaller camera. Smaller and lighter. It´s how I feel, it´s how it works for me and i am a gringo in Mexico.