Is the Sony RX1R II a Leica Q killer ?

Is the Sony RX1R II a Leica Q killer ?

  • No Way - the cameras are substantially different

    Votes: 88 63.8%
  • Definitely - why buy the more expensive Q now?

    Votes: 50 36.2%

  • Total voters
    138
Another good thing about the Sonys is their values plummet rapidly.

So while this one may be too expensive for many of us now, it's bound to be alot more reasonable even in 6 months, used of course.

It looks like an RX1r can be had for a grand now.
 
Another good thing about the Sonys is their values plummet rapidly.

So while this one may be too expensive for many of us now, it's bound to be alot more reasonable even in 6 months, used of course.

It looks like an RX1r can be had for a grand now.

They have learnt from Leica to ask steep prices, that Canikon only command for their top models, also due to their PRO-support, not only at sports events but with good loaners arriving overnight. Leica now thinks, that they can cut down on their CC, noticing that Sony's virtually non-existent. I think both companies, Christmas sales to ammateurs aside, stand in for a surprise.
 
They have learnt from Leica to ask steep prices, that Canikon only command for their top models, also due to their PRO-support, not only at sports events but with good loaners arriving overnight. Leica now thinks, that they can cut down on their CC, noticing that Sony's virtually non-existent. I think both companies, Christmas sales to ammateurs aside, stand in for a surprise.

What is CC?

If you mean "customer service", with respect to Leica I disagree 100%. I've never had any other company go as far on the extra mile to help me out as Leica has, with their area tech rep actually calling me up unbidden to ask if I'd like to try different equipment and a different approach based on a comment sent in email to New Jersey, after the issue had already been resolved.

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They have learnt from Leica to ask steep prices, that Canikon only command for their top models, also due to their PRO-support, not only at sports events but with good loaners arriving overnight.

I think your comparison is telling, working with Sony warranties is unimpressive, and when you actually talk with customer service you learn these are outsourced contractors reading from a script.

It's shocking to me that the A7r2 now is the most expensive full frame body, except for Leica and the Canon 1D.

But the idea that Sony has learned anything from anyone I find unlikely and that is the whole problem. They have invented these machines in a complete vacuum with the features we like (mount compatibility), being basically total accidents.

Worse than not learning from Canikon/Leica in any respect, they are utterly deaf to their customers as well.

It's a parallel universe. LOL

Now the new RX1 II is wonderfully small, with great performance aside from miserable handling. But in the case of the A7, evolved from the Nex-5, which really was well done in many ways, peaking with the 5n, they have totally lost the plot and tied themselves in a knot with the thick sensor cover. It doesn't just mean the A7 series hates many M and LTM lenses, it requires that native lenses be larger than would otherwise be necessary.

This is where the new SL does have a big opening for innovation. The Pros love those D810s and fast zooms, but they don't love to carry them. EVF, short register and M240 style sensor cover would theoretically allow for fast Zooms half the size and weight of a pro DSLR.
 
Voted no, since I am not interested in either camera, so for some of us, or perhaps a lot of us, neither camera is of interest and the sony release of their camera will definitely not impact any decision regarding the Leica Q or any other camera purchases.
 
working with Sony warranties is unimpressive
My experience with Sony warranty is good. The way they handled warranty claims for Minolta cameras was even great.

Worse than not learning from Canikon/Leica in any respect, they are utterly deaf to their customers as well.
They did learn. They changed the NEX menu system, they introduced a new flash hot shoe, they improved the handling on the mark II A7 cameras - they aren't better or worse in this respect compared to other makes.
 
But the idea that Sony has learned anything from anyone I find unlikely and that is the whole problem. They have invented these machines in a complete vacuum with the features we like (mount compatibility), being basically total accidents.

Worse than not learning from Canikon/Leica in any respect, they are utterly deaf to their customers as well.

It's a parallel universe. LOL
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Actually, I suspect that the original product line managers for the nex line were probably Sony (play station as some else or u have inferred). The a6000 and the a7 families, w/ the change to a config menu design that is similar to their dslr line makes me wonder if the original crew was replaced by product line managers from the a mount dslr line. The heritage of that line come from the Minolta/Konica camera company. I have been told that are still people from that company that still work for Sony. How much real influence they have on decisions is debatable considering the lossy raw compression issue that was in all their cameras until recently.

I will never buy the q , but the decision to go 28 as opposed to 35 is a none starter for me. Otherwise, the setup of the q is just about perfect. The Sony is probably gonna be close enough for most people.....

Gary
 
Don't forget that they replaced that awful, plastic, port flange. I bemoaned its existence when the A7 and A7R were originally released, and now it's nowhere to be found. And to reiterate the firmware update that included an uncompressed RAW option is a great win for Sony users.

It seems they listen to users after the fact. But for some reason it also seems as though there isn't a single photographer among the engineering or design staff. It's baffling.

That said, all I want is a non-af fixed lens 50mm compact with fully manual controls and no lcd (just a nice EVF). Throw in a full frame Foveon Merrill or a monochrome sensor and I'll be set for the next decade or so. Maybe I'd be the wrong person to ask.
 
For me, it would be the Q, solely because of the Focal length.

Between the brands I'd much rather go with Sony than Leica. I have an RX100, I've not noticed any of the menu problems people complain about from Sony, but then I was born in 1980, so perhaps I'm just used to it.

The real Q killer for me though is the Ricoh GR.
It's APSC, it has a slower lens, but my god it's good, and I could shoot 6 of them to destruction for the price of a Q.
 
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