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I haven't been following the x-pro threads so a quick question: Does the x-pro make the x-100 effectively obsolete for anyone thinking of buying a new fuji x-series camera?
keytarjunkie
no longer addicted
Not at all. The X100 easily fits in my jacket pocket, but I don't think the X-Pro 1 could...especially without removing the lens. It's also a totally different price point. I waited for the X-Pro 1 to be released, and then decided that it was not what I was looking for and bought the X100. There's nothing obsolete about the X100, in fact I can think of no other camera like it (digital, fixed focal length non-interchangeable ~35mm lens, large sensor) that can really compete. I guess similar cameras would be the Konica Hexar AF, Contax T2 and T3, Fuji Klasse S, and Sigma DP2....whereas similar cameras to the X-Pro 1 are the Contax G2 and Hexar RF.
GaryLH
Veteran
I don't think so. I have both and plan to continue to use both even when Fuji releases the 23 x mount lens. The x100 with built in flash and leaf shutter plus compact size is easy to put in my acket pocket and go out. With the leaf shutter any flash I use will sync at practically any speed.
Think of the x100 as a Konica AF type of camera and the xp1 as a digital contax g.
Gary
Think of the x100 as a Konica AF type of camera and the xp1 as a digital contax g.
Gary
DRabbit
Registered
They just announced/released a new wide-angle converter lens today and updated the firmware for it, so absolutely, no.
It won't be obsolete until the x200 comes out...
It won't be obsolete until the x200 comes out...
loquax ludens
Well-known
Fuji apparently doesn't consider the X100 obsolete. They just announced the new WCL-X100 wide conversion lens. It produces a .8x focal length magnification that converts the 23mm (35mm equivalent) focal length to 19mm (28mm equivalent).
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/05/15/Fujifilm-WCL-X100-wide-angle-converter-lens-firmware-v-1-3-0
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/05/15/Fujifilm-WCL-X100-wide-angle-converter-lens-firmware-v-1-3-0
kzphoto
Well-known
With the addition of an adapter lens that Fuji just released, I think they consider the x100 to be a serious camera that will live along side the Xpro1.
I think Fuji mentioned that they were going to have an "X family" of sorts. They make the x10 compact, the x100 and the xpro1. If they update the x100, it will be to produce something with a faster AF, redesigned button layout and and improved sensitivity. Lets hope the x200 gets the new sensor in the Fuji Xpro1!
I think Fuji mentioned that they were going to have an "X family" of sorts. They make the x10 compact, the x100 and the xpro1. If they update the x100, it will be to produce something with a faster AF, redesigned button layout and and improved sensitivity. Lets hope the x200 gets the new sensor in the Fuji Xpro1!
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zwarte_kat
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non
non
I use the X100 almost daily. I tried out the xpro in the store every time I go there, and frankly, it feels like a piece of crap compared to the x100.
I am sure that the images are amazing, and I am very interested to try out their upcoming M mount, but for now it's too much of an investment for me. Having the X100, and my GRX M Mount for m lenses, I already have the best of both worlds in a TWO camera setup that costs about the same as one Xpro plus lens and crappy m mount.
The upcoming wide converter plus firmware update only made the X100 more interesting and shows how Fuji has not forgotten this camera. But even without it, the X100 beats the Xpro as an everyday bring along camera with everything included: ND Filter, good fill flash, stealthier sound, and faster file saving as far as I noticed.
They both have their place though, and I can imaging people opting for the xpro if they don't have anything else, even if they only use the 50mm.
non
I use the X100 almost daily. I tried out the xpro in the store every time I go there, and frankly, it feels like a piece of crap compared to the x100.
I am sure that the images are amazing, and I am very interested to try out their upcoming M mount, but for now it's too much of an investment for me. Having the X100, and my GRX M Mount for m lenses, I already have the best of both worlds in a TWO camera setup that costs about the same as one Xpro plus lens and crappy m mount.
The upcoming wide converter plus firmware update only made the X100 more interesting and shows how Fuji has not forgotten this camera. But even without it, the X100 beats the Xpro as an everyday bring along camera with everything included: ND Filter, good fill flash, stealthier sound, and faster file saving as far as I noticed.
They both have their place though, and I can imaging people opting for the xpro if they don't have anything else, even if they only use the 50mm.
gavinlg
Veteran
x100 (compared to the x-pro1):
- Significantly smaller
- Almost totally silent (leaf shutter vs normal shutter)
- 1/2000th shutter flash sync due to leaf shutter
- Has a lens that was specifically designed for its sensor, and sensor designed specifically for its lens. Thus the lens can be tiny and still optically excellent even wide open. Thus, less CA than x-pro1 with its lenses.
- Under half the price of the x-pro1
- Built in flash
- Built in 3 stop ND filter
So no, not even close to obsolete. In fact it's the only camera of its 'type' (optical vf/electronic vf, tiny, fixed fast lens, manual controls, big sensor) available on the market, and probably will be for a very long time.
- Significantly smaller
- Almost totally silent (leaf shutter vs normal shutter)
- 1/2000th shutter flash sync due to leaf shutter
- Has a lens that was specifically designed for its sensor, and sensor designed specifically for its lens. Thus the lens can be tiny and still optically excellent even wide open. Thus, less CA than x-pro1 with its lenses.
- Under half the price of the x-pro1
- Built in flash
- Built in 3 stop ND filter
So no, not even close to obsolete. In fact it's the only camera of its 'type' (optical vf/electronic vf, tiny, fixed fast lens, manual controls, big sensor) available on the market, and probably will be for a very long time.
Noll
Well-known
I find it interesting that the meaning of obsolescence seems to be shifting. From a traditional view, if we are talking about whether a camera could make a decent image, then just about any decent digital camera in the last 6 years has been capable of that. But nowadays, it has more to do with whether or not something else out there that offers more for the same money. If that's the criteria, then maybe so? I don't know if I could ever justify over 1 large for a fixed lens camera considering the alternatives, but to each their own.
spyderphil
Member
It's great that the X100 has matured via the firmware upgrades and become an even better camera. Its more pocketable, easier to travel with and has better RAW support than its big brother.
The Pro is still early in the product cycle with respect to firmware tweaks from its release. When the X100 came out I debated hard on keeping it but, with the upgrades, I have both and want both. Its fantastic Fuji put so much effort, compared to other makers, into improving an existing product. One gets the feeling other manufacturers would rather make a new camera than update an existing one when possible.
The Pro is still early in the product cycle with respect to firmware tweaks from its release. When the X100 came out I debated hard on keeping it but, with the upgrades, I have both and want both. Its fantastic Fuji put so much effort, compared to other makers, into improving an existing product. One gets the feeling other manufacturers would rather make a new camera than update an existing one when possible.
f16sunshine
Moderator
Simple answer is... no it is not obsolete. It is a genuine one of a kind. It's brother the XP1 is simply another genuine one of a kind. Related but not same or redundant. That said, when I bought the XP1 the intention was to use it along side the x100. I have yet to actually put them both to work on a project.
Obsolete, no. Less attractive, yes. (for me anyway). I'm in love with the X-Pro1.
Teuthida
Well-known
I give the OP high marks for the great parody post.
Next subject: Given the impending introduction of the M10, is the MM now obsolete?
Next subject: Given the impending introduction of the M10, is the MM now obsolete?
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
The M10 is sooo May 9th. It's already obsolete.
Phil Forrest
Phil Forrest
Aristophanes
Well-known
I haven't been following the x-pro threads so a quick question: Does the x-pro make the x-100 effectively obsolete for anyone thinking of buying a new fuji x-series camera?
Depends on the price one can afford for a kit system.
IMO the X100 is now over-priced and Canon and others have not been resting.
Richard G
Veteran
The X100 is so good it's scarcely believable. A unique camera. Serious users here call it the best camera ever. The manufacturer's boldness of one focal length and the advantages of that mated with the remarkable sensor and software is only approached by the boldness of another maker's black and white only FF RF. It doesn't matter how good the X-Pro 1 is: the standing of the X100 is not diminished.
IMO the X100 is now over-priced and Canon and others have not been resting.
Over-priced compared to what? A dslr?
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
I remember a friend, who had been a R.A.F. test pilot, telling me that all military aircraft are obsolete before they enter service, because "the opposition" are doing their damnedest to make them so. I rather think that something similar applies to digital cameras.
Pablito
coco frío
Fuji made sure it was not obsolete by holding off on releasing the 35mm (equivalent) lens. Without this focal length, the Xpro1 is not an option for many. When that comes out, the X100 will be obsolete.
Just playing devil's advocate here. I opted for NEX instead, and no regrets. Though I'd happily use the x100 if someone gave me one.
Just playing devil's advocate here. I opted for NEX instead, and no regrets. Though I'd happily use the x100 if someone gave me one.
Bike Tourist
Well-known
I only have an X100 at present. My new XP1 is a few days away from arriving. I don't expect the XP1 to supplant the X100 — just to augment it. One thing I'm looking forward to is the 70-200 Zoom for the XP1. Remember the Leica Visoflex? Like that, only better. Just switch to the EVF and mount the zoom lens!
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