a 24/28mm, fixed lens point and shoot (of high optical quality), usable manual options (focus, exposure)...
i was thinking about the ricoh gr(x), but me and google are no friends this time.. in any case i can't find anything about controlling the exposure manually. the fuji camera (klasse-w) is autoexp only (if i'm not mistaken), but manual exp and focus is important to me. oh, reliability of course... the possibility of adding a shade would be a welcome bonus, but i'm not getting my hopes up...
anyone...??
i was thinking about the ricoh gr(x), but me and google are no friends this time.. in any case i can't find anything about controlling the exposure manually. the fuji camera (klasse-w) is autoexp only (if i'm not mistaken), but manual exp and focus is important to me. oh, reliability of course... the possibility of adding a shade would be a welcome bonus, but i'm not getting my hopes up...
anyone...??
craygc
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Depends if you want film or digital.
The Fujifilm Klasse W for film is exactly what you say. I have one and love it for what it is but manual focus is more of a pain than dealing with manual exposure. Manual focus is a menu option but when necessary it does work. For exposure control I use the +/-EV control on the front. If you know what you want your exposure to do, it works well.
I was looking at the Sigma DP1 in Tokyo last week. Seems to address all your requests. Manual focus is via a well place thumb dial on the rear, it has manual exposure control, a fixed 16.5mm (28mm equivalent) lens and a hood accessory that allows you to screw on filters. The sensor is large with large photo sites but my dislike is that it is only a 4.6 MP camera. Its toted as 14MP but across three layers with the Foveon sensor.
The Fujifilm Klasse W for film is exactly what you say. I have one and love it for what it is but manual focus is more of a pain than dealing with manual exposure. Manual focus is a menu option but when necessary it does work. For exposure control I use the +/-EV control on the front. If you know what you want your exposure to do, it works well.
I was looking at the Sigma DP1 in Tokyo last week. Seems to address all your requests. Manual focus is via a well place thumb dial on the rear, it has manual exposure control, a fixed 16.5mm (28mm equivalent) lens and a hood accessory that allows you to screw on filters. The sensor is large with large photo sites but my dislike is that it is only a 4.6 MP camera. Its toted as 14MP but across three layers with the Foveon sensor.
i'm looking for a film camera. otherwise i'd be shopping for the grd, or waiting for the sigma...
anyway, i've never been any good with +/-, i want to be able to set the shutter speed, and aperture, according to sunny 16 (or best judgement).
so digicams, or autoexp cameras (even if the have exp compensation dials) don't fit the bill.
btw, the klasse w costs about the price of a good 28/2.8 in m mount, such as the konica, doesn't it??
anyway, i've never been any good with +/-, i want to be able to set the shutter speed, and aperture, according to sunny 16 (or best judgement).
so digicams, or autoexp cameras (even if the have exp compensation dials) don't fit the bill.
btw, the klasse w costs about the price of a good 28/2.8 in m mount, such as the konica, doesn't it??
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chambrenoire
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Fujifilm Natura has a 24mm f/1.9 lens
ernstk
Retro Renaissance
The Ricoh GR1s meets most of your needs. It has an exceptionally high quality 28mm/2.8 lens. It is aperture priority (2.8-22)or fully auto exposure and it has pre set focus ranges, as well as full auto focus.
The controls are very easy to use. I use it alongside my GR Digital as my day to day camera and I would recommend it highly.
Regards
Ernst
The thumbnail below is GR1s with XP2
The controls are very easy to use. I use it alongside my GR Digital as my day to day camera and I would recommend it highly.
Regards
Ernst
The thumbnail below is GR1s with XP2
ohwell.. so it's autoexposure, or a 28mm that fits on tomething i have... or digi ,-/
thanks for input everyone..
thanks for input everyone..
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
You might check eBay for a Contax G1 with the 28mm Biogon attached. It's autofocus and aperture priority, and lots of fun to shoot with. And the lens is amazing! Between 275 and 350 dollars, generally.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
Oh God, megapixel wars at RFF. The Foveon sensor in the DP1 will yield the same amount of resolution as a 9 MegaPixel (TM) Bayer sensor.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
It's with some embarrassment that I admit that I now have a DP1 on the way. I succumbed to the hype. If I have the time, I might try shooting the same, say, ten pictures with the DP1 and with the G1/28mm/Kodachrome64, and making a little comparison web page.
i'd be more than happy to be ordering a dp1 (or a ricoh digi), only i still haven't been especially pleased with digifiles on a sunny day (don't even mention snow ,-)
and sunny days is what i intend to shoot with it
so even if i still haven't sorted out how in the world i'm going to go about my processing (at human prices), i'm fantasizing about three options mainly; a p&s with a fixed, high quality 28mm, a hexanon 28/2.8 (which would fit the cl perfecly well), or... damn, you said something about a g1 and a biogon...
choices choices..... ohwell... ,-)
and sunny days is what i intend to shoot with it
so even if i still haven't sorted out how in the world i'm going to go about my processing (at human prices), i'm fantasizing about three options mainly; a p&s with a fixed, high quality 28mm, a hexanon 28/2.8 (which would fit the cl perfecly well), or... damn, you said something about a g1 and a biogon...
choices choices..... ohwell... ,-)
urban_alchemist
Well-known
I assume you're talking film...
I assume you're talking film...
... and if so, there are two that I own which fit the bill.
The first, as has been written about above, is the Ricoh GR-1 (I have the S). It's a nice little camera with a lovely lense and quite good controls, but is horrifically noisy.
My other is also my favourite - a bit of a forgotten gem: the Minolta TC-1. It's a 28mm lense with (only) manual aperture (fully round) at 3.5, 5.6, 8 and 16. The lense is the famous Minolta Rokkor, and it also has manual focus, exposure compensation and metering lock. It is also built like a tank and although not as thin as the Ricoh (it is surprisingly deep), feels FAR more solid. It is also quieter (though that's not saying much).
I saw a few for sale recently in Tokyo, and they seem to have kept their value remarkably well (a mint-in-box was $2000 - their retail price new). Used but good condition ones were hovering around the $1,000 mark. If I could afford it, I wouldn't hesitate.
http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?MinoltaTC1.html~mainFrame
On you-know-where:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=minolta+tc-1&category0=
I assume you're talking film...
... and if so, there are two that I own which fit the bill.
The first, as has been written about above, is the Ricoh GR-1 (I have the S). It's a nice little camera with a lovely lense and quite good controls, but is horrifically noisy.
My other is also my favourite - a bit of a forgotten gem: the Minolta TC-1. It's a 28mm lense with (only) manual aperture (fully round) at 3.5, 5.6, 8 and 16. The lense is the famous Minolta Rokkor, and it also has manual focus, exposure compensation and metering lock. It is also built like a tank and although not as thin as the Ricoh (it is surprisingly deep), feels FAR more solid. It is also quieter (though that's not saying much).
I saw a few for sale recently in Tokyo, and they seem to have kept their value remarkably well (a mint-in-box was $2000 - their retail price new). Used but good condition ones were hovering around the $1,000 mark. If I could afford it, I wouldn't hesitate.
http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?MinoltaTC1.html~mainFrame
On you-know-where:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=minolta+tc-1&category0=
Anupam
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If you are looking for a film camera anyway, all you need to do is buy an old SLR and a sharp 28/2.8 or even a 28/2 lens (almost every major SLR line has great 28mms) and apply some super-glue to the lensmount to get your dream camera 
If you are looking for a film camera anyway, all you need to do is buy an old SLR and a sharp 28/2.8 or even a 28/2 lens (almost every major SLR line has great 28mms) and apply some super-glue to the lensmount to get your dream camera
got one. but it's big, heavy ,.. you know. and to pass as a tourist, a p&s would be ideal, i thought...
or, i could go out with the t3, and try to pass as an old hippie.... ,-//
thanks for the suggestion, but if i was looking at spending around or over $1k, i'd have bought a biogon-m, or better yet elmarit asph, already
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Don't worry, I'm looking at a Canon G9...
K
Kin Lau
Guest
Lots of old manual focus slr's are very small. Any Minolta X series with a 28mm is about as small as my Bessa R + 50mm.
Other cameras I have that would fit the bill, are the Oly OM series, Yashica FX-3 (same body as a Bessa and very light) Y/C mount and if you can get a Zeiss 24 or 28mm, that's a killer combo.
The even better part is..... they're all nearly dirt cheap.
Other cameras I have that would fit the bill, are the Oly OM series, Yashica FX-3 (same body as a Bessa and very light) Y/C mount and if you can get a Zeiss 24 or 28mm, that's a killer combo.
The even better part is..... they're all nearly dirt cheap.