Is Voigtlander Cosina here to stay?

There need not be any more digital camera makers. They are a computer product now, with the paper thin margins that go with that realm. Cosina may as well try to make money selling CD players as compete with the scores of digital cameras flooding the market.
 
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A replacement for the RD-1 or an SLR with the same level of automation, using maybe Pentax K or Olympus or Canon manual focus glass would not be competing with the DSLR market. Anyhow, the replacement cycle for DSLR's is settling down.
 
patrickjames said:
I keep thinking that Zeiss and Sony are so close together that we will see a digital rangefinder from them.

It was Sony that got the remains of the Konica/Minolta camera stuff too, for dealing with the warranties- I heard it is a Sony service center in Germany somewhere, even the hexar goods.. hmmm CLE/hexar rf re-visited?
 
Oooh...

I'm just imagining a Pentax RF, that has an adaptor to RF couple Pentax K glass. That'd be very nice. Did I see cameraquest has a Pentax RF adaptor? must have a look.
I'd also be very happy to see Pentax make some more Leica mount lenses, AFAIK their only RF lens was the 43mm Limited in LTM...

For now though I'll stick with my Bessa R3A

-nick
 
Remember that the R-D1 was originally a Leica/Cosina project that got canned hence Epson became the partner.

Is Cosina publicly traded? If so, someone could figure out how they're doing and whether they would have the means to buy Leica. Stranger things have happened.
 
BillBingham2 said:
From what I know, CV is not a large part of Cosina's business, but it is heavily leveraged from work they do for other folks. The lenses from my experience are fine for big enlargements, but then again, how big is big?

I look at CV as a way to bring fun and somewhat profitable items to market that show other MFGs that might want Cosina to build something for them that Cosina can do a great job.

My guess is that they will keep building film cameras as long as they can get new parts and people keep buying them.

B2 (;->

The owner of Cosina is a BIG rangefinder fan - and I think want to keep making these cameras - and will do so. Since these cameras are somewhat pricey (CV is cheap by Leica standards, but expensive by 'entry level SLR' standards)

Cosina also makes a lot of lenses and bodies on "contract" for other companies (I know Nikon is a big customer for them in addition to Zeiss) - so these are great 'calling cards.'
 
clintock said:
It was Sony that got the remains of the Konica/Minolta camera stuff too, for dealing with the warranties- I heard it is a Sony service center in Germany somewhere, even the hexar goods.. hmmm CLE/hexar rf re-visited?

Yup - Sony bought Konica/Minolta - though I think they bought the assets of it - not the liabilities - so while they have parts, they might not have the obligations of the warranties. :bang:

As Sony makes a ton of sensors for the digital camera market, I would expect that to be their focus - they just bought the Minolta mount lenses. I think they are having Zeiss design some lenses for their A100 DSLR line ... ?
 
patrickjames said:
I keep thinking that Zeiss and Sony are so close together that we will see a digital rangefinder from them.

Zeiss is making a number of zooms for the Minolta mount (the Sony A100) - that is probably the start.

Zeis being an optics company first and foremost - I dunno about a digital rangefinder...

But if they wanted to ... they could easily buy the sensor from Sony! 😀
 
Cosina makes a decent chunk of change making lenses for various other brands of digicams. So, yes, in fact, they do have an oar in digital waters.


- Barrett
 
Yep, you can bet your Dektol on it.

Yep, you can bet your Dektol on it.

While CV is a small part of the Cosina business, it is growing and profitable. If anyone has not been counting, Mr. K's factory has introduced more new 35mm rangefinders, lenses, and accessories since 1999 than the rest of the rest of the camera world combined. This is true both in volume, and in terms of numbers of models.

A dedicated RF enthusiaist, Mr. K's four factories are also the world's number one manufacturer of projection lenses and surveillance lenses, not to mention OEM products for other companies which range from completed cameras or lenses to even raw glass, lens elements, or lens barrels.

Mr. K is able to make a profit on smaller production runs in thousands that would be economically unfeasible for huge automated plants due to a secret production technique: real human workers. Cosina's products are assembled by hand. The huge overhead associated with producing new machines or new programs for every new product does not exist at Cosina.

Contrary to speculation, there is virtually no chance Cosina would ever buy Leica. It's quite simple. Mr. K does not need to. IF he ever decided to go into the super high end rangefinder market, he can do it without Leica.

Because of Cosina's expertise combined with relatively low overhead and a huge film market that other camera makers are backing away from, it's my own guess that Cosina is the best bet to eventually become the last 35mm camera manufacturer in Japan.

Stephen Gandy
 
CameraQuest said:
Mr. K is able to make a profit on smaller production runs in thousands that would be economically unfeasible for huge automated plants due to a secret production technique: real human workers. Cosina's products are assembled by hand. The huge overhead associated with producing new machines or new programs for every new product does not exist at Cosina.
Which, of course, means he can't achieve the economies of scale that the big boys do. So he would have to operate in a relatively low-volume, high-value niche market to compete and be profitable. Sensibly enough, he seems to be doing just that😀

I'm amazed that he produces the level of quality at the price-point, though, so I expect he has a few smarts in areas other than just "hand production". I'd guess that some of that is having a very good feel for his market and the match between his capabilities and its needs/wants.

...Mike
 
Crasis said:
From what I've heard, essentially Mr. Kobayashi makes lenses and cameras for himself and his friends. Others just happen to want to own them and use them as well 😉

What will happen when Mr. K is gone? That is the question one should be asking.
 
Bromo33333 said:
Zeiss is making a number of zooms for the Minolta mount (the Sony A100) - that is probably the start.

Zeis being an optics company first and foremost - I dunno about a digital rangefinder...

But if they wanted to ... they could easily buy the sensor from Sony! 😀
Sony is in big trouble due to their exploding laptop battery business and has tough times ahead in the game console market. I don't think they're in the mood for experiments.

Philipp
 
It's hard to predict consumer trends.

Camera manufacturers were doing great at the peak of the film SLR
boom into the mid-1980's. Now half of them are out of business.

Japanese corporations have 5, 50, even 500(!) year plans.
Despite this, many went under in the 1980's and 1990's.

Cosina makes great stuff now and is well positioned for the near
future. But one cannot presume they will be around in 20 years.

Sure, Leica has been around for a what seems like forever,
but even their future is not certain...

"Excelsior, you fathead!"
-Chris-
 
Flyfisher Tom said:
One can argue that Leica is a niche market as well 😉

Why argue it's true most of us can buy a Bessa easer than a Leica, Some would argue that a Bessa with a Leica lens is a better camera combination anyway.
 
Stu W said:
I was curious why any company would invest in film camera and lens production in this day and age.

The film market's still shrinking exponentially, but there will be some rest not switching to digital. I guess Mr. K. will be the last of the film mohicans. While other companies cannibalize theirselfes in the digital mass market, Cosina will still make money with their film gear.
Didier
 
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