ChrisLivsey
Veteran
I have started, yes I know late to the party again, to buy IXMOO cassettes for the M2s because it seems they are made for each other and if my plans to use 5222 and home brew developers come to fruition they will be needed. So I have two now 
well it's a start.
I am clear over the differences to the FILCA, which is more than may sellers are but there are subtle differences between the IXMOOs no doubt because they were produce over a longish period.
Could someone, and I post here because I suspect the readers of Tom's subsection probably own more of these than any other group, explain the significance of the Z ? Is it purely to show the lock position against the spring?
The centre film spool carries a number in the depressed oval. My older one has 1 and a long traditional arrow for the film slot. Is this just a mould number or should there be a matching 1 anywhere aka H'blad matching film backs?
The newer spool carries a 2 and an arrow like a greater than sign with the screw on cover plate being painted a camera matt black. Are there other variants ?
Good shooting over this new year to all.
well it's a start.I am clear over the differences to the FILCA, which is more than may sellers are
but there are subtle differences between the IXMOOs no doubt because they were produce over a longish period.Could someone, and I post here because I suspect the readers of Tom's subsection probably own more of these than any other group, explain the significance of the Z ? Is it purely to show the lock position against the spring?
The centre film spool carries a number in the depressed oval. My older one has 1 and a long traditional arrow for the film slot. Is this just a mould number or should there be a matching 1 anywhere aka H'blad matching film backs?
The newer spool carries a 2 and an arrow like a greater than sign with the screw on cover plate being painted a camera matt black. Are there other variants ?
Good shooting over this new year to all.
payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
Don't know how many variants there are, but they all work the same way and do the same thing: so perhaps we should not call them variants.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Variant- noun: a form or version that varies from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.
Seems OK to me.
Maybe: exhibiting variety or diversity.
Seems OK to me.
Maybe: exhibiting variety or diversity.
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willwright
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casettes
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there are about (a couple we haven't seen yet) 6 versions of the metal casette. As to using them you only need to know about 2...the "B" casette which had a brass knob on the top and fits only the screw mount leicas; and the "N" or "neue" casette with a chrome knob that fits both the screw moutn and M's..i.e. all of the cameras. As of the M6 they discontinued the baseplate cam that opens the casette and so none of the cameras after the M-4P will take them. you can probably get an M4-2 or P bottom plate and use it on a 6 if you're so inclined.
casettes
there are about (a couple we haven't seen yet) 6 versions of the metal casette. As to using them you only need to know about 2...the "B" casette which had a brass knob on the top and fits only the screw mount leicas; and the "N" or "neue" casette with a chrome knob that fits both the screw moutn and M's..i.e. all of the cameras. As of the M6 they discontinued the baseplate cam that opens the casette and so none of the cameras after the M-4P will take them. you can probably get an M4-2 or P bottom plate and use it on a 6 if you're so inclined.
newsgrunt
Well-known
gotta disagree about the post M4P cameras and cassettes. My chrome M6 (late 80's or early 90s, have to check the serial) takes the cassettes with the stock plate but a black M6 I had didn't and for that I had to buy a different baseplate. My black MP won't take the cassettes because they don't physically fit in the camera, there's a small ridge or bump inside preventing it.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
The Z stands for the German "Zu" or "closed". There are some variations of the N cassettes, including black or grey center spools - brassy or black surface treatment and black or chrome "lock" springs. They all work fine and are interchangeble -i.e the center spool works on all, the inside shell will fit in any outside shell etc.
The key is that the "knob" on the top is chrome and that the outside shell is a proper N cassette shell - otherwise you cant close the baseplate.
The early M6 had an IXMOO style baseplate - but at around #2 100 xxx they changed it to the flat disc lock. You can still fit the earlier type baseplate though and use the IXMOO. Do NOT use the IXMOO on a M7!!!! It will slide in all right - but will create havoc with the sensors for the film indexing! This is one reason why I dont make a production run of M6 Rapidwinders, as someone will try it on their M7 and go ballistic when the camera has to be repaired!
All you really need is about 18-19 IXMOO's and you can then load a 100ft spool of film.
Always check IXMOO's for stiff opening and closing (usually caused by "corrosion" of the brass - polish the inside shell and apply a very thin layer of grease to it to smoothen it out). Also check that the locking spring engages and dis-engages properly.If it is bent out of shape - you can still use the cassette - but you have to be careful as it can spin open in daylight and fog part of the film.
Always be sure to remove the "V" shaped end from the cassette spool after you have ripped the film off for processing. If you try to load it with the little "tab" still stuck in it - the springs wont hold the film properly and you have the dreaded "flap-flap" sound of a film spinning on the take up spool!
Accura in Japan made a knock -off IXMOO - works fine, but it is really not interchangeble with parts - the spool tends to jam and the inside/outside shell are fractionally different and tend to bind if mixed up.
I think Happyness is having a large amount of IXMOO's loaded (like 200) and be able to shoot your heart out for a month or two. Nobody can claim that it is fun loading them - but once done. life is good.
The key is that the "knob" on the top is chrome and that the outside shell is a proper N cassette shell - otherwise you cant close the baseplate.
The early M6 had an IXMOO style baseplate - but at around #2 100 xxx they changed it to the flat disc lock. You can still fit the earlier type baseplate though and use the IXMOO. Do NOT use the IXMOO on a M7!!!! It will slide in all right - but will create havoc with the sensors for the film indexing! This is one reason why I dont make a production run of M6 Rapidwinders, as someone will try it on their M7 and go ballistic when the camera has to be repaired!
All you really need is about 18-19 IXMOO's and you can then load a 100ft spool of film.
Always check IXMOO's for stiff opening and closing (usually caused by "corrosion" of the brass - polish the inside shell and apply a very thin layer of grease to it to smoothen it out). Also check that the locking spring engages and dis-engages properly.If it is bent out of shape - you can still use the cassette - but you have to be careful as it can spin open in daylight and fog part of the film.
Always be sure to remove the "V" shaped end from the cassette spool after you have ripped the film off for processing. If you try to load it with the little "tab" still stuck in it - the springs wont hold the film properly and you have the dreaded "flap-flap" sound of a film spinning on the take up spool!
Accura in Japan made a knock -off IXMOO - works fine, but it is really not interchangeble with parts - the spool tends to jam and the inside/outside shell are fractionally different and tend to bind if mixed up.
I think Happyness is having a large amount of IXMOO's loaded (like 200) and be able to shoot your heart out for a month or two. Nobody can claim that it is fun loading them - but once done. life is good.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Tom, comprehensive as we expect, thanks. Didn't Leica New York make some as well as Wetzlar?
198 to go then.
198 to go then.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
Chris, I have seen some with the Leica N.Y. stamps on them, but I dont know if they were made there or just supplied to Leica N.Y. with that stamp.
Keep looking for them - you can never have too many!!!!
Tom
Keep looking for them - you can never have too many!!!!
Tom
ChrisLivsey
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Michael Markey
Veteran
Thanks for that Tom. I`ve just started to use them using a daylight loader. I note that we also made a type here in the UK. Shirley Wellard. jem had some last time that I was in.
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Ronald M
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I have seen so many varients of IXMOO that the only ways to be sure is is to measure the height and/or look at the bottom. Screw mt ones have two concentric ridges on the bottom. M cassettes have a ridge bridging the two concentric ones ridges.
Chromed springs are not always chrome. The brass knob is not always chromed.
If you stand them next to each other, the door on the screw mount ones is higher which explains why film can sag downward in 111C and earlier models if we use a modern cassette.
You can maybe hack a point on the leader that may function partially, but the ABLON insures a perfect fit with stops to prevent the film from going too far. It is definately not fun unjamming film from a spool that will not go either way.
Watson and some other loaders allow normal daylight loading, but dark is really the best way as you never expose the trailer. Best done with the bench winder.
Chromed springs are not always chrome. The brass knob is not always chromed.
If you stand them next to each other, the door on the screw mount ones is higher which explains why film can sag downward in 111C and earlier models if we use a modern cassette.
You can maybe hack a point on the leader that may function partially, but the ABLON insures a perfect fit with stops to prevent the film from going too far. It is definately not fun unjamming film from a spool that will not go either way.
Watson and some other loaders allow normal daylight loading, but dark is really the best way as you never expose the trailer. Best done with the bench winder.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
I used to have some of the Wellard ones - they were a bit "hit and miss' with M's so in the end I traded them off for IXMOO's.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Quote:And the name of the cassette? Well, the designers apparently came from Shirley, in the English Midlands. And one of them, wondering if they would ever perfect this delightful little doodad, said, “Well, if we do make any money, it’ll be well ’ard earned.” Hence, Shirley Wellard. End Quote
Source, with more
info:http://www.shutterbug.net/equipmentreviews/classic_historical/0604sb_classic/
Source, with more
info:http://www.shutterbug.net/equipmentreviews/classic_historical/0604sb_classic/
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
Chris. thanks for the info on the Shirley Wellard's! I always kept forgetting to open and close them with the rewind - and if you didn't - it would scratch the film!
tj01
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Tom A
RFF Sponsor
This is the later version and will not work with an IXMOO. I will try to some shots tomorrow of the variances of the IXMOO's and baseplates.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
The two variants of IXMOO cassettes. The black one is a M-cassette with the 3.6mm "lip" at the bottom. The copper colored one is a LTM cassette with the 2 mm "fatter" lip. You can put the M-cassette IXMOO inner shell in a screw-mount outer shell - but it will not work in a M-camera.
The base-plate shows the lock (old M2 base-plate) and my M2 IXMOO ready Rapidwinder. The chrome "button" slots into the groove in the lock and the bow-shaped stop pushes the spring away and enables you to open/close it with the base-plate lock.
The flat locking disc started to show up on the late M6's and renders the use of IXMOO's on these cameras impossible. Probably a safeguard for not sticking the IXMOO into M7's.
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Jhon Butcher
Newbie
Fill them up like a burrito, then roll them up and eat form the open end.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Not an IXMOO but a FILCA (complete circle on base not Omega) but interesting as it is a Leitz New York stamp. On the bay item 150405514700. UK seller I have no affiliation with.
dap
Established
You can put the M-cassette IXMOO inner shell in a screw-mount outer shell - but it will not work in a M-camera.
You are correct with this one - the inner spool in the more LTM cassette and the Ixmoo is the same...so if you happen to have an IXMOO shell and are missing a spool just pick up a more common (and cheaper) ltm cassette as a donor. I actually toyed with the idea of modifying some screw mount cassettes to work in M cameras via grinding off the bottom and resoldering but came to my senses and just bought some generic bulk spools (It could be easily done, but the work involved is not anywhere near worth it...unless you are really bored and have a lot of spare time on your hands).
BTW - Tom I hold you (and your constant praise of the ixmoo) personally responsible for the steadily rising prices for these cassettes
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