Pioneer
Veteran
I used Rodinal R09 1:25 for 10:30 gnome chompski. It looks like HC110, which is quite different from Rodinal, will only take about 5 minutes if you use dilution B.
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
It would be interesting to see side by side comparisons with other films. Maybe against something like Kentmere and Tri-X.
Pioneer
Veteran
I agree. Unfortunately I don't have any TriX in 35mm handy (heresy, I know) so I will have to wait until I get an order in for it.
Someone may want to post some comparison shots.
EDIT - I may be the only photographer in the US who uses black and white film who has no TriX in the fridge!
Someone may want to post some comparison shots.
EDIT - I may be the only photographer in the US who uses black and white film who has no TriX in the fridge!
AZPhotog
Keith S
Many of the above posts have a lot of my thoughts.
We should all appreciate it when fellow photogs go to the effort to share the facts and results of their experimentation. I know I do.
We should all appreciate it when fellow photogs go to the effort to share the facts and results of their experimentation. I know I do.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Thanks for the post Pioneer .. your efforts are appreciated.
But that said I don't think that Rodinal @ 25:1 has done it justice ... the blown highlights and blocked shadows don't sit well with me. I'd like to see this film developed in Xtol for comparison.
But that said I don't think that Rodinal @ 25:1 has done it justice ... the blown highlights and blocked shadows don't sit well with me. I'd like to see this film developed in Xtol for comparison.
gnome chompski
Member
the massive dev chart states 5:00 but the data inside the film box says 10;30. Weird. I probably will do one of both just for curiosity's sake as I too have enough rolls to float me for a while.
gnome chompski
Member
Ive got rolls of JCH Street Pan, Tri-X, HP5, and Neopan 400 currently so I might be able to put something together but it would take me a bit to shoot, develop and scan. I'll see what I can do
Pioneer
Veteran
Thanks for the post Pioneer .. your efforts are appreciated.
But that said I don't think that Rodinal @ 25:1 has done it justice ... the blown highlights and blocked shadows don't sit well with me. I'd like to see this film developed in Xtol for comparison.
Thanks for the kind words Keith.
Although I do like Rodinal I may give HC110 a try for the next roll which should be popping out of the camera sometime tomorrow. Hmm, almost makes it sound like a birth of sorts.
Pioneer
Veteran
Go for it gnome chompski. We gotta play with this stuff and see what it can do.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Thanks for the kind words Keith.
Although I do like Rodinal I may give HC110 a try for the next roll which should be popping out of the camera sometime tomorrow. Hmm, almost makes it sound like a birth of sorts.
Try developing it in Rodinal 1+50. That dilution gives a longer scale and gentler gradation than the 1+25 dilution. I use 1+50 for everything I develop in Rodinal; I have tried higher dilutions (1+75, 1+100) and found 1+50 gave the best tonality.
Pioneer
Veteran
Thanks Chris. I will try that tomorrow. I have plenty of Rodinal so I would like to be able to use it with this film.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
... I may be the only photographer in the US who uses black and white film who has no TriX in the fridge!
Nope. Haven't used Tri-x since the late 80s, other than some 320 8x10 I got a good deal on. Sold most of that and bought HP5.
ravilamir
Well-known
Pioneer,
Would you be so kind as to tell if there is a DX code on the 135 cassettes, please?
If there is one, near to it there should be a 6 digit number. Could you tell me what is it?
Thanks!
Would you be so kind as to tell if there is a DX code on the 135 cassettes, please?
If there is one, near to it there should be a 6 digit number. Could you tell me what is it?
Thanks!
Pioneer
Veteran
There is a DX code and the number is 868400.
ravilamir
Well-known
Thanks!
It doesn't point to anything on my databases.
I was hoping that part of it would point to a known manufacturer.
It doesn't point to anything on my databases.
I was hoping that part of it would point to a known manufacturer.
Pioneer
Veteran
I think we know the manufacturer. Bellamy has said that it was a discontinued Agfa film. Further, we have been told that it was a traffic surveillance film. It does not have a wide latitude in the sense that it can be pushed or pulled a lot either way. EI200 to EI500 is not a whole lot.
The first roll I developed seems to show a tendency to quite a bit of contrast but that could just be the developing. I agitated the first roll every 30 seconds as that is my experience shooting Kodak TMX. That much agitation probably brought out to much contrast.
Although my initial inclination was to develop the 2nd roll in 1:50 Rodinal as suggested by Chris Crawford I decided instead to stay at 1:25 Rodinal and slow down the agitation. The roll hanging to dry right now was agitated 3 times every minute, not 3 times every 30 seconds.
I am not too sure what, if any, effect this will have but what little training I do have indicates that you should only adjust one variable at a time. That is what I am trying to do so I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out.
I'll get photos from this roll scanned and posted by tomorrow evening.
The first roll I developed seems to show a tendency to quite a bit of contrast but that could just be the developing. I agitated the first roll every 30 seconds as that is my experience shooting Kodak TMX. That much agitation probably brought out to much contrast.
Although my initial inclination was to develop the 2nd roll in 1:50 Rodinal as suggested by Chris Crawford I decided instead to stay at 1:25 Rodinal and slow down the agitation. The roll hanging to dry right now was agitated 3 times every minute, not 3 times every 30 seconds.
I am not too sure what, if any, effect this will have but what little training I do have indicates that you should only adjust one variable at a time. That is what I am trying to do so I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out.
I'll get photos from this roll scanned and posted by tomorrow evening.
Pioneer
Veteran
HC110 Developing Times
HC110 Developing Times
I questioned Bellamy regarding confusion on developing Street Pan 400 with HC110 dilution B. He responded that the time on the box are correct while the time posted on his website is not.
So, the correct time for souping Street Pan 400 in HC110 is 10 minutes and 30 seconds.
EDIT - This is not correct. See Post #71 for a copy of Bellamy's recent email relative to the proper developing times.
HC110 Developing Times
I questioned Bellamy regarding confusion on developing Street Pan 400 with HC110 dilution B. He responded that the time on the box are correct while the time posted on his website is not.
So, the correct time for souping Street Pan 400 in HC110 is 10 minutes and 30 seconds.
EDIT - This is not correct. See Post #71 for a copy of Bellamy's recent email relative to the proper developing times.
Pioneer
Veteran
Greenhorn Cutoff
Greenhorn Cutoff
For this roll I went out into the hills near Elko and took some photos along the Greenhorn Cutoff of the California Trail.
I used JCH Street Pan 400 exposed in my ZI using the MS Optical 35mm Perar. I developed the film in Rodinal 1:25 but I slowed my agitations from two every 30 seconds to three every minute. As a result the contrast was tamed so much that I actually had to apply some curves in post processing to bring up the contrast a little.
However, on to my little photo story.
Back in the 1840s and 50s literally thousands of California bound emigrants followed the Humboldt River past my front doorstep. If they had known how bad the smog would get they may have stayed in Elko.
Along the way their trail led them through this beautiful canyon known today as Carlin Canyon.
Though this canyon looks beautiful and calm today, almost pastoral, it wasn't always this way. There were times that the Canyon was very difficult to get through because high water made the various necessary river crossings extremely dangerous.
As a result many emigrants choose to leave the Humboldt River Valley and climb over the hills thus bypassing the Carlin Canyon. As they climbed up into the hills they could look back at Grindstone Mtn overlooking the valley.
...and this is what they looked towards. A climb into desert hills with dry dust and sagebrush all around. If you look carefully you will see remnants of the wagon trail between the marker in the foreground and the marker poking up on the horizon.
If that piece of the wagon trail wasn't obvious enough for you here you see the deep ruts from the eroded wagon trail headed down into Suzie Creek. You can easily see the ruts trailing from the right side of the photo down toward the small tree on the left. This portion of the California Trail was left behind by wagons traveling this way over 160 years ago. It takes a long time for the desert to forget what happened in the past.
As the emigrants headed down into Suzie Creek they could look out ahead and see the mountains they would have to cross. I doubt however that they would have seen any powerlines.
These are the Hot Springs that feed Suzie Creek. There was grass to feed the livestock and water for drinking and washing. It is interesting to note that along with the Humboldt River, Hot Springs provided a lot of the water sources for the emigrants as they passed through Nevada.
When we look back behind us we can see the trail that we have followed to get to this point. Behind the Jeep the trail moves straight back, then to the right through part of the canyon we can't see, then up and over the ridge through a couple jogs on the far right of this photo. Though we have only occasionally traveled along the actual wagon trail this entire trail has followed closely alongside.
This is our route forward. Our trail along Suzie Creek back down to the Humboldt near the present town of Carlin. We are only a mile or so from another, even tougher detour around a canyon that will take everyone over Emigrant Pass.
Maybe we will follow that route at some future point.
Greenhorn Cutoff
For this roll I went out into the hills near Elko and took some photos along the Greenhorn Cutoff of the California Trail.
I used JCH Street Pan 400 exposed in my ZI using the MS Optical 35mm Perar. I developed the film in Rodinal 1:25 but I slowed my agitations from two every 30 seconds to three every minute. As a result the contrast was tamed so much that I actually had to apply some curves in post processing to bring up the contrast a little.
However, on to my little photo story.
Back in the 1840s and 50s literally thousands of California bound emigrants followed the Humboldt River past my front doorstep. If they had known how bad the smog would get they may have stayed in Elko.
Along the way their trail led them through this beautiful canyon known today as Carlin Canyon.
Though this canyon looks beautiful and calm today, almost pastoral, it wasn't always this way. There were times that the Canyon was very difficult to get through because high water made the various necessary river crossings extremely dangerous.
As a result many emigrants choose to leave the Humboldt River Valley and climb over the hills thus bypassing the Carlin Canyon. As they climbed up into the hills they could look back at Grindstone Mtn overlooking the valley.
...and this is what they looked towards. A climb into desert hills with dry dust and sagebrush all around. If you look carefully you will see remnants of the wagon trail between the marker in the foreground and the marker poking up on the horizon.
If that piece of the wagon trail wasn't obvious enough for you here you see the deep ruts from the eroded wagon trail headed down into Suzie Creek. You can easily see the ruts trailing from the right side of the photo down toward the small tree on the left. This portion of the California Trail was left behind by wagons traveling this way over 160 years ago. It takes a long time for the desert to forget what happened in the past.
As the emigrants headed down into Suzie Creek they could look out ahead and see the mountains they would have to cross. I doubt however that they would have seen any powerlines.
These are the Hot Springs that feed Suzie Creek. There was grass to feed the livestock and water for drinking and washing. It is interesting to note that along with the Humboldt River, Hot Springs provided a lot of the water sources for the emigrants as they passed through Nevada.
When we look back behind us we can see the trail that we have followed to get to this point. Behind the Jeep the trail moves straight back, then to the right through part of the canyon we can't see, then up and over the ridge through a couple jogs on the far right of this photo. Though we have only occasionally traveled along the actual wagon trail this entire trail has followed closely alongside.
This is our route forward. Our trail along Suzie Creek back down to the Humboldt near the present town of Carlin. We are only a mile or so from another, even tougher detour around a canyon that will take everyone over Emigrant Pass.
Maybe we will follow that route at some future point.
gnome chompski
Member
M6
35mm Zeiss C-Biogon
JCH 400
HC-110B 5 minutes
I didnt shoot a very strong roll, and I have been eyeballing my exposures instead of using my meter, and that def. shows as half the exposures are way off. Still have plenty to shoot though so I might try some different combinations.
35mm Zeiss C-Biogon
JCH 400
HC-110B 5 minutes
I didnt shoot a very strong roll, and I have been eyeballing my exposures instead of using my meter, and that def. shows as half the exposures are way off. Still have plenty to shoot though so I might try some different combinations.
Pioneer
Veteran
I think that was probably part of my problem as well. On the first roll I judged the light without help but my exposures were all over the place. The second roll was exposed using a meter and I think it made a big change.
I am certainly not a great photographer but at least my 2nd roll was consistent. I do think development is the key to using this film so now I need to try and find that sweet spot.
I am certainly not a great photographer but at least my 2nd roll was consistent. I do think development is the key to using this film so now I need to try and find that sweet spot.