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Lawrence Sheperd

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I hope the owner is not a racist and bigot like Charlie is. I am sorry for the killings and condem the act but Charlie was not a nice person nor a tolerant person. He only ever asked for tolerance from others which he himself never showed neither did the persons who commited the heinous crime towards Charlie. Nevertheless People really should inform themselves about Charlie Hebdo especially how it came into being instead of using the slogan without thinking.
 
If you take potshots at both protected pets and unprotected pets alike you're a bigot because, after all, you're taking potshots at protected pets.

If you only take potshots at unprotected pets, and leave the protected ones alone, you are unbiased.

Makes sense to me...

...Mike
 
You are of course correct Lawrence. To confuse matters Charlie Hebdo is often referred to as being leftwing which it sometimes is if it suits the money guys behind it. It has very very close ties to the Élysée ever since it was reintroduced in 1992 before that in the 1980'S it relly was a leftwing magazine with anarchistic tendencies not any more.
 
DominikDUK said:
You are of course correct Lawrence. To confuse matters Charlie Hebdo is often referred to as being leftwing which it sometimes is if it suits the money guys behind it. It has very very close ties to the Élysée ever since it was reintroduced in 1992 before that in the 1980'S it relly was a leftwing magazine with anarchistic tendencies not any more.
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Why do you even think this is relevant DominikDUK when people who exercise their right to free speech are shot dead? Does it make it more acceptable? Or less?


For instance, are leftwing newspaper photographers shot dead in rightwing countries more or are they less responsible for their own death? Or are they just equally dead, from injustice?
 
DominikDUK said:
I hope the owner is not a racist and bigot like Charlie is. I am sorry for the killings and condem the act but Charlie was not a nice person nor a tolerant person. He only ever asked for tolerance from others which he himself never showed neither did the persons who commited the heinous crime towards Charlie. Nevertheless People really should inform themselves about Charlie Hebdo especially how it came into being instead of using the slogan without thinking.
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All things being equal (which they aren't, obviously), the assault should have consisted of throwing pencils at the artists and journalists at the most.
 
Interesting image - especially in that a theater in Charleston, SC was able to obtain a large French flag on such short notice.

Don't take your freedom of speech or the press for granted. There are dark forces striving to take them away.

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let's see how fast this thread gets deleted.
******* thugs killed the charlie cartoonists and other employees. charlie people categorically ARE NOT at fault in any way for these thugs murdering them.
how can anyone - i repeat, anyone - even remotely think the charlie people somehow brought it upon themselves.
******* murdering asshole thugs. hope the french kill them today; it will not be too early ...
 
I can see this post getting hot quickly and potentially locked if we're not careful in how we "discuss" this.

A comment was made earlier today via Social Media to a local radio station here in Toronto - it was (and I'm paraphrasing here):
"Would any of those cartoons be seen as free speech if the target of the cartoons were Jews and not Muslims?"

I don't condone any sort of "religious extremist" terrorist attack (as this one appears to have been) but we really should look at how broad that freedom of speech thing goes eh? How broadly can it be applied and, how broadly can people use that term to hide behind something that may be considered truly hateful to people?

Cheers and Peace,
Dave
 
dave-if i consider something in a journal truly hateful to me/my kind of people, i go and start a legal process against them, or don't buy their stuff, or make fun of them in the same way.
Therefore, your comment is not exactly on-topic :)
 
@ DominikDUK
Charlie was not a nice person nor a tolerant person. He only ever asked for tolerance
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FYI, Charlie never was a person; just the title of a satirical magazine; the magazine lives on with the surviving journalists; this kind of approximation does not really strengthen your other allegations.
if it suits the money guys behind it
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Do you have evidence to support this? As anyone can see by buying a copy, this is one of the very few publications without advertisements; where/who are the money guys?
It has very very close ties to the Élysée ever since it was reintroduced in 1992
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Interesting... apart from making that statement, what is the supporting evidence? Ever since 1992? including president Chirac? president Sarkozy? Please quote your sources.
 
dcsang said:
but we really should look at how broad that freedom of speech thing goes eh? How broadly can it be applied and, how broadly can people use that term to hide behind something that may be considered truly hateful to people?
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That seems to make things rather too context-dependent. I'm not easily offended and even if I were deeply offended I'm not going to kill anyone over it. Does that mean that someone who will kill if they're mildly miffed should dictate the terms of public discussion? Seems a hell of a way to run a railroad to me...

...Mike
 
johannielscom I agree with you mostly I absolutely condem the terrorist act which had nothing to do with the religion or anything else, but I also do not condone the crusade Charlie Hebdo has led agains the muslims especially at a time of extremely strained relations between muslims and non muslims in France and around the world. BTW nobody talks about the grenades that were trown into a mosque in France as response to the killings at Charlie Hebdo or the mosque that was firebombed in Sweden during mass.

The whole jesuischarlie is just very one sided to me, if a muslim or Christian in an Asia/Africa/Arab country gets killed nobody cares, the secular west kills thousands of innocent people a year but if someone in the west gets hit it's the great drama. Get yourself in the mind of Muslim living in Syria, Libya or any other democratized arab country.

I fully agree with Solinars post. I am also against censorship and for freedom of speech neither exists 100% anywhere in the world.
 
dcsang said:
I can see this post getting hot quickly and potentially locked if we're not careful in how we "discuss" this.

A comment was made earlier today via Social Media to a local radio station here in Toronto - it was (and I'm paraphrasing here):
"Would any of those cartoons be seen as free speech if the target of the cartoons were Jews and not Muslims?"

I don't condone any sort of "religious extremist" terrorist attack (as this one appears to have been) but we really should look at how broad that freedom of speech thing goes eh? How broadly can it be applied and, how broadly can people use that term to hide behind something that may be considered truly hateful to people?

Cheers and Peace,
Dave
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Jews don't start wars in the name of religion or how one worships "their" god. Jews don't forcibly convert or kill those those that do not practice religion "their" way. A Jew would not kill those that targeted them in cartoons.
 
I do not want to intrude in the discussion, but stating that the target of Charlie Hebdo was the Muslims, in my opinion, is not correct.

Their satirical drawing were directed towards any religions (be it Jewish, Muslim and of course Christian). I have to agree that it was more often on Muslims than Jewish (due to the Islamic state) but not much more than on the Christian.

There have been a lot of public coverage about their drawings about Islam as some extremist groups took them very seriously.

Regards,

It's just my two cents from France


@DominikDUK The media talked about the explosion in front of the mosque this night (close to where I live by the way). I disagree with you, most of us don't see it as muslim against anti-muslim but as extremist against some other extremists.
The bombing you spoke about is exactly the illustration of that problem: some right wing groups were only waiting opportunities to act on people because of their faith.
 
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