Jupiter 8 50mm - sample image

Steve George

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I've posted this a few times before in other places but never here so thought it may be useful to anyone thinking about getting a Jupiter 8.

I've had a few different ones over the past couple of years and only one was a complete dog...generally speaking though I'd recommend them in terms of cost to performance ratio.

This is one, taken using the best example of the Jupiter 8 I've had, and using dirt-cheap supermarket own brand 400 ISO colour print film - it has a look I like and a resolution that puts a lot of lenses I've owned to shame.

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and a crop from the original scan:

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No arguments here, Steve! The J8 is a wonderful lens. I too once posted a shot taken with the J8 and a crop in the P.net Leica forum. Not many were interested to begind with. Others were sceptical and couldn't change their minds that there are other fine lenses out there. 🙂
 
It's definitely a good lens - a J8 is never going to replace my Summicron but it's good to have a throw-around setup for chucking in my bike panniers or leaving in the car glove compartment that doesn't have to be a compromise on quality.
 
Steve, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. While I agree that the J-8 is a mighty fine lens (and my own RFF gallery is full of photos taken through it), I think the image you posted does not aptly demonstrate the capabilities of this lens. The photograph is beautiful, but the JPG could be much improved. First of all, it's too small. Second of all, the contrast needs to be boosted - take a look at the highlights. The whites in the gull's plumage are a dull pale blue. If you know your way around Photoshop, play with the curves until the image has more "snap" to it. I hope I haven't offended you; I'm just trying to help make your argument for this lens more compelling.
 
Thanks for the feedback - that's how the print looks - I personally like the desaturated look and it's one of the appeals of the lens for me...no offence taken. Prints I get back aren't the heavy saturation or high contrast I get with other lenses but have a more "old time" look I don't get with any others - maybe wrongly I attribute that to the fact it's much lower contrast and lower saturation...if I want snap or vibrancy I use a different lens 🙂

As for doing the lens no justice, I think that's kind of relative. I am aware the photograph isn't editorially the best but the fact that on cheap 400iso 35mm film the lens resolves enough detail to pick out a detail so small as a seagull's pupil taking up such a small amount of the surface area of the negative, to me suggests it is far from the "dog" of a lens a lot of people are too-prepared to write it off as...that was the point of my posting really. I've used Nikon primes that were much more expensive and didn't resolve so much detail even when everything else was playing more in favour of them doing so than in this instance.
 
here's a shot that I took with a Kiev-mount J8 that I gave to Remy when I must have been heavily medicated.. the image is cropped down to the 'interesting part', so the perspective isn't quite right, but I think it demonstrates well the tones and bokeh that a 'cheap' lens is capable of
 
Well that does it! I'll have to get one. Nice pic of the boots with the house leeks (Sempervivum) in it. I might even pick up one with a Zorki attached, although my previous ownership of one was not a happy affair.

The story attached to it is an interesting one however. On January the 2nd 1994 myself and three friends went for a walk along the shingle bank south of the Suffolk resort of Southwold, a bitterly cold day with a biting wind and intermittent snow. It was a way of blowing away the New Year's Day hangover with a walk in this beautiful part of the world. For those not familiar with the East coast of the UK, there are no high cliffs to protect the land, just as in this case a low shingle bank with beyond sand dunes, and wetlands. These both protect the land beyond, are beautiful, and are a wonderful resource for migrating birds. There had however been a storm the night before, and about a mile into the walk we came across a gap where the shingle bank had been washed away by the sea. The sea was washing in and out of the gap, but we judged there was sufficient time to dash across the gap inbetween. Big mistake! We had reckoned neither on the infirmity of our compatriot, a man in his 60's and in poor health, nor on the force of the sea. As the three younger members turned to look back having run across the gap, we could see Peter down to his knees and up to his waist in the water. Both Steve his son and myself dashed back to help. But as we ran, another wave came in. I was picked up by the sea and thrown back violently into the dunes. It was a terrifying experience as it was impossible to stand up in the water which was freezing cold, and mixed in the salty water were pebbles the size of my head which were being thrown about like leaves in a gale. Eventually we all struggled to dry land, but were now stuck on the wrong side of the gap with a walk of a further three miles to the nearest pub at Dunwich (a wonderfully atmospheric place BTW) We now had serious concerns for the health of Peter who was bright purple by now but we eventually made the pub and it's blazing log fire to drink reviving Brandy, and sit on newspapers. I was carrying a Zenit E at the time, but it was U/S within about 1/2 hour of the inundation. Fortunately however, and undaunted, I visited the local photographic store, where my eye alighted upon... Yes you guessed it! A Zorki 4 and Jupiter 8 which eventually went wrong, and I think I threw it away complete with lens!

I had nightmares about water for years afterwards, and still have the occasional dream even now.

Oh well, live and learn as they say, and sorry about the OT nature of this post, but it at least does have a J8 in it LOL

Andy

For Peter McGarry RIP 17/11/2003 Friend & Confidante.
 
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The young lad in his 60's must have been distracted trying to keep up with such undisciplined youth in his company! Just a comment in defense of age.
Johne
 
no.. I only use the Kiev with a J12 now.. when I want to shoot 50mm I reach for the Contax with the Sonnar 50/1.5, which blows away every other lens I own.. but I have to admit that J8 made nice pictures
 
I pulled out my 1977 black Jupiter-8 a few weeks ago and shot a roll of Tri-X (rated at 250, processed in D-76). I was very pleased with the results: the tones were great, the bokeh was smooth, it was flattering and mild (not soft) when wide open (the first two shots), and sharp went stopped down (the third shot). I have two J-8s (1962 and a 1977) and they are both great. I just sold a third with a Bessa R.
 
Thanks for the shot Steve. I like the J8 as well and you're right, bang for the buck, they're a winner. I can also appreciate your use of this pic.
Steve George said:
"...it has a look I like..."
If what the lens produces is a "look you like" that you wish to convey to others, why alter that look in PS or some other way? I don't need tack sharp and high contrast to trip my trigger either. We all have individual [often unique] personal tastes, thank God. Thanks for sharing yours.

The only thing that I might not like is if you tell me that was taken from your patio. I'll admit it. I'm a bit the jealous type.... okay, the RAVING jealous type concerning people who live on waterfronts. I suffer from sea air/gull noise deprivation. 😛
"...and I think I threw it away complete with lens!"
Andy ~
You had nightmares about the water but.... but.... threw an FSU in the trash.... ?with a clear conscience? ......... And it was a ZORKI?!!! Hey guys, c'mon is this really the kind of people we want here at RFF? ... 😱

Well, since you've repented and have set your sights on another J8, I guess you're okay........ sorta. But I'm watchin' ya! Now I'll probably have nightmares about your poor little Zorki 4/Jupiter 8 lying there in the damp rubbish....... alone......... cold.,,,,,,,,dark.
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Steve - OK, that's fair enough. I wasn't aware that you were going for the desaturated look, which is perfectly fine. In that case, of course, a "straight" scan is the way to go. Once again, I love the photo (great catch, and pleasant composition) and respectfully disagree with the other poster who dissed with a one-liner.

Brett - now I know why no one will be able to fill your shoes. Yeouch!! Fine results btw.
 
Here is a recent test shot of a silver J-8 on my Bessa-R. Film was Kodak C-41 B&W and I had a yellow filter on the lens. I shot at f2 @ 1/1000.

Only manipulation of the scan was to desaturate it (Walgreens left a blue cast on the scans) and to reduce the DPI to 72 so that the file size would be small enough to upload here.

I really like the look that FSU lenses produce. I think my favorite is a FED-50 f3.5 50mm, really smooth bokeh with that one. My least favorite is the Industar-61, too harsh looking of an image I think.

Later,
Greg
 
excellent photo, Greg! you people are all making me regret parting with my J8.. of course, I have a Helios to replace it.. haven't even taken a shot with it, tho
 
Here's a link to a picture in my gallery--Bessa R with J-8--shot on Kodak 400 UC:
THE LINK .
Some of the B&W shots probably are from that lens also but I don't have my note book handy and I can't remember which ones.
The J-8 is one of my favorite lenses and the only thing I don't like about it is the absence of click-stops in the leica thread version.
I know we have some lens hackers/experts here at RFF; anybody thought about putting the optical block from a kiev J-8 into the mounting bolck of a LTM J-8? Or is the film to flange distance too different?
Rob
 
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