jupiters

[timmyd18]

This is probably a silly question

But I'm going to ask it anyway.

I've heard of Jupiter 3, 8, 9, 11, 12.


But no other numbers.

Did these other lenses exist for specialty applications, like enlargers or on different types of cameras?

 

[Roger Hicks]

I've heard of Jupiter 3, 8, 9, 11, 12.

But no other numbers.

Did these other lenses exist for specialty applications, like enlargers or on different types of cameras?

From Foto Lyubiteli, Minsk, 1964, the Jupiter numbers were:

3 (50/1.5), 8 (50/2), 9 (85/2), 11 (135/4), 12 (35/2.8), 17 (50/2), 21 (200/4). They were mostly (all?) pre-WW2 Zeiss designs. I don't know of any for enlargers or fixed-lens cameras.

Others included Industars (Tessars), T-type (triplets -- T-22, T-32, T-35, T-42, T-43 -- some of which existed in more than one focal length, e.g. T-22 40/4.5 and 75/4.5), Mir, Orion, Tair, Periskop, Helios and MTO (catadioptric).

Cheers,

R.

 

[Abbazz]

There are more, like the Jupiter-6 (180mm F/2.8), a highly sought after Russian clone of the famous Zeiss Olympic Sonnar:

The Jupiter-24-I (12.5mm F/1.9):

The Jupiter-29-K (75mm F/1.8):

And the Jupiter-29-K2 (75mm F/4):

Cheers!

Abbazz

 

[timmyd18]

thanks y'all! those scans are very interesting. has anyone ever used one of those 75mm lenses?

 

[Spyderman]

I guess the other numbers are either experimental (prototype only) lenses or for other application (cine lenses, military).

 

[timmyd18]

that was kind of what i was wondering, if they had other jupiters outside of the field that we're interested in.

i looked up that 12.5mm f/1.9 and it seems to have been a cine lens.

too bad. that sounds like it would be fun to shoot film with!

 

[Roger Hicks]

There are more, like the Jupiter-6 (180mm F/2.8), a highly sought after Russian clone of the famous Zeiss Olympic Sonnar:

Cheers!

Abbazz

Dear Abbazz,

Thanks!

They all look like Sonnar-type triplet derivatives. Do you know if they were old Zeiss designs too?

Cheers,

Roger

 

[manfromh]

Once someone on this forum posted shots taken with a jupiter lens, which number i cant remember. I think it was 50mm f2, but it wasnt Jupiter-8. The bokeh looked very interesting. Might have been j-17, but again, my memory fails me

 

[Abbazz]

They all look like Sonnar-type triplet derivatives. Do you know if they were old Zeiss designs too?

Dear Roger,

I have never seen one of these Jupiter lenses and I don't know anything about their history, except for the Jupiter-6. Like stated by Spyderman, they seem to be special purpose lenses. The Jupiter-6 is a huge SLR lens that weights more than 1.5kg. Here's a picture of a Jupiter 6 on a poor consumer DSLR:

Picture linked from Veijo Vilva's website.

Cheers!

Abbazz

 

[Abbazz]

I just checked on the Krasnogorsky Zavod website and found many Jupiter lenses:

[B]Name       Focal Length   Max. Aperture Field Angle     Purpose[/B]
Jupiter-3        52           1.5           45°         Photo
Jupiter-6       180           2.8           14°         Photo
Jupiter-8        52           2.0           45°         Photo
Jupiter-9        85           2.0           29°         Photo
Jupiter-11      133           4.0           18°30'      Photo Cine
Jupiter-12       35           2.8           63°         Photo
Jupiter-13      125           1.5          N.A.         Special
Jupiter-17       52           2.0           45°         Photo
Jupiter-21      200           4.0           12°         Photo TV
Jupiter-22       75           2.0           35°         Photo
Jupiter-23       85           2.5           28°         Photo
Jupiter-24       12           1.9           28°         Cine
Jupiter-24-SA1   12           1.9            1°         Special
Jupiter-24-SA2   12           1.3            1°         Special
Jupiter-24-SA3   12           1.6            1°         Special
Jupiter-25       85           2.5           28°         Photo
Jupiter-37      135           3.5           18°         Photo
Jupiter-100     100           2.5           24°         TV
Jupiter-200     200           4.0           12°         TV

Table adapted from the Krasnogorsky Zavod website

How can I have forgotten the Jupiter-37A? I have one and love it! It's a good SLR lens, very compact and it renders great colors. Here's a picture of this lens:

Picture linked from the MFLenses.com website.

I also found a few Jupiter lenses on the 1963 GOI catalog.

Here's the Jupiter-10, a 17mm F/1.8 lens designed for 16mm movie cameras:

The Jupiter-14, a 19mm F/1.8 lens also designed for 16mm movie cameras:

The Jupiter-16, a 50mm F/2.0 lens covering the 24x36 format:

And the Jupiter-18, a 19mm F/1.8 lens:

Cheers!

Abbazz

 

[Roger Hicks]

Dear Abbazz,

Fascinating! Thank you once again!

Cheers,

Roger

 

[Abbazz]

Fascinating! Thank you once again!

You're most welcome.

Cheers!

Abbazz

 

[wyk_penguin]

Wow. I didn't know there were so many.

 

[timmyd18]

wow abazz... thank you! the information is complete and the pictures are amazing. that EOS looks like it might be a bit awkward to handle with that j6 on it....


ok so i have another somwhat related but somewhat off topic question.

i've now seen (either physically or in pictures) the j3, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 37A

why are all of these in russian but the j12 is in english?

best regards
tim

 

[timmyd18]

that wasn't clear, i mean the writing on the lens itself is in english for the j12 but russian for all of the others

 

[brachal]

that wasn't clear, i mean the writing on the lens itself is in english for the j12 but russian for all of the others

Some FSU lenses were built for export, and these were labeled in English. I have read that export cameras and lenses were subjected to more thorough quality control than their domestic counterparts, but I don't know if that's really true or not. All of my FSU lenses are labeled in Russian.

 

[timmyd18]

most of mine are in russian too, with the exception of that j-12. do you have a j-12 labeled in russian?

 

[brachal]

most of mine are in russian too, with the exception of that j-12. do you have a j-12 labeled in russian?

Yes, in Kiev mount. At least I'm pretty sure it is. I'll have to look at it when I get home. I don't use my Kiev gear very often.

 

[brachal]

I checked my 12 today. 1978, LZOS, and labeled in English. It also says "Made in USSR" on the side of the barrel. Interesting.

 

[Ed S.]

For completeness, there are also the 250/3.5 Jupiter-36B (Latin V) and -36b (Latin B) for the Kiev 88 + Salyut, and P6 mount (Kiev 88CM, -6C, -60 and Pentacon), respectively, medium format cameras.

The primary difference seems to be the mount; the J-36B is a Hasselblad-style thread, the J-36b is a P6 mount. A Pentacon adapter can be added to the J-36B to make it fit the P6 mount. The other way: the cheapest solution is to buy a new lens.