loneranger
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Anyone in this forum expect anymore Nikon SC mount lenses from VC? Or is that it. I wish they would make a 28/2 or a 18/4 in SC mount. That would be a dream. Then I would never even think about leica anymore.
Kim Coxon
Moderator
They are a bit more but there are the offerings from Zeiss. The 18 has just been announced and the 28/2 has a great reputation.
Kim
Kim
drewbarb
picnic like it's 1999
Surely you are thinking of the ZF lenses for Nikon SLRs? Is Zeiss making lenses in the old Nikon SC (RF) mount? That would be something, indeed. I might have to get serious about a Nikon RF if that is the case....
Kim Coxon
Moderator
Kim
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
The problem with making a fast 21 or even a fast 28 for a Nikon Rf is the limitation imposed by the "throat" of the lens. The rear element is limited in size to what can be fit into the mount, be it external or internal. To compensate for the smallish rear element, the front element has to be made bigger. A 21f1.8 would most likley have a front element big enough that it would block the viewfinder (70mm+). Even a f2 would have to be massive (62-67mm front).
Considering the rather limited response to the SC Sonnar 50f1.5, it is doubtful that we will see something like a 28f2 or 21/f2 in SC mount in the near future. I would like to see a 21f4.5 Biogon though in SC mount! I have the old version for Contax II/III as well as the new ZM C Biogon 21f4.5. The old one is still a very good lens, but the 21 C Biogon is most likely the best 21 I have ever owned (and I have had and still have quite a few).
Today the emphasis seems to be lenses that are M-compatible. The RD I and the M8 has opened up a new market for these and whoever comes out with the next DRf would have to stick to the M-mount to have any significant chances of succes.
Considering the rather limited response to the SC Sonnar 50f1.5, it is doubtful that we will see something like a 28f2 or 21/f2 in SC mount in the near future. I would like to see a 21f4.5 Biogon though in SC mount! I have the old version for Contax II/III as well as the new ZM C Biogon 21f4.5. The old one is still a very good lens, but the 21 C Biogon is most likely the best 21 I have ever owned (and I have had and still have quite a few).
Today the emphasis seems to be lenses that are M-compatible. The RD I and the M8 has opened up a new market for these and whoever comes out with the next DRf would have to stick to the M-mount to have any significant chances of succes.
NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
YOU MISSED THIS:
BORROWED FROM THIS THREAD:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57560
Kiu
drewbarb
picnic like it's 1999
Wow- I did miss that. Curse you, Kiu, and your GAS inducing Nikon RF knowledge!
I just have to remind myself of Tom's point about the Leica M mount being the RF mount of the future (if there is such a thing...), and stick with my M's. The last thing I need is to acquire yet another old small format film camera. (Repeat this mantra until it sinks in..."The last thing I need...")
I just have to remind myself of Tom's point about the Leica M mount being the RF mount of the future (if there is such a thing...), and stick with my M's. The last thing I need is to acquire yet another old small format film camera. (Repeat this mantra until it sinks in..."The last thing I need...")
bobkonos
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I doubt they will be made anymore as they were not that popular in the first place (only because there are less Nikon RF bodies out there then Leica M or screw mount bodies). I am glad I got the ones that I did: 21, 25, 85. But lucky you: I wish I could stop dreaming of owning a Hasselblad SWC.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
It is a japanese lens, but made according to the classic Sonnar formula. The whole point here is that it was made at all! It was by subscription only and less than the 21f4.0 RF lens were made. It has become a bit of an "instant" collectible too with prices going up, if you even can find one!
I kind of like it - nice out-of-focus rendition and it is smaller than the Millenium 50f1.4. Is it better than the Millenium? I dont really know, not having performed any extensive LPM test with - and truth be told, having no intentions of doing it either!
The SC series from CV was an interesting concept. Take an "old" camera design and make new, improved, multi coated lenses for them. There was enough of a market to sell them and several of the focal length are now sold out. I have the full gamut of the SC lenses and almost the full range of Nikkor lenses. I keep using them all, not for commercial work, but just because I like them. They are all a bit different and they are my "hobby" lenses. Photography as a career and a job is one thing - these days i do it because I like it and a variety of lenses and cameras might not make sense to everybody, but for me it is
relaxing and entertaining!
I kind of like it - nice out-of-focus rendition and it is smaller than the Millenium 50f1.4. Is it better than the Millenium? I dont really know, not having performed any extensive LPM test with - and truth be told, having no intentions of doing it either!
The SC series from CV was an interesting concept. Take an "old" camera design and make new, improved, multi coated lenses for them. There was enough of a market to sell them and several of the focal length are now sold out. I have the full gamut of the SC lenses and almost the full range of Nikkor lenses. I keep using them all, not for commercial work, but just because I like them. They are all a bit different and they are my "hobby" lenses. Photography as a career and a job is one thing - these days i do it because I like it and a variety of lenses and cameras might not make sense to everybody, but for me it is
relaxing and entertaining!
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
I am also a bit "phobic" about collectibles. After all. what we are talking about are pieces of glass and metal. The last decades saw a lot of attemps from manufacturers to create "instant" collectibles. Leica's various decorated camera's - I particularly liked the one were you got a share in the company. I hink it was called the Ein-Stuck. Not only did the camera depreciate, the single share bombed too!
Nikon's attempt with the S3 Millenium is another. The dealers paid heavily for them when they came out and today they are worth less than 1/2. The 2005 SP is still doing well, but as a retirement investment? Nothing I have can really constitute a collectible, only possibility is the 35f1.2 Nokton in SC mount - if I ever would have to replace it. It is being used like all my other stuff.
I dont mind "replicas" of old cameras (Leica MP, Nikon S3/SP and even more so, the lenses) as long as these things are being put into service. It is the "boxed - Mint" that I am suspcious off.
At the NHSA meet here in Vancouver, I did pick up a 25mm f4.0 Rf Nikkor, with hood,caps, case. In some eyes it is a collectible, in mine it is an interesting lens from the 50's and I have put a lot of rolls through it in the last couple of month.
Nikon's attempt with the S3 Millenium is another. The dealers paid heavily for them when they came out and today they are worth less than 1/2. The 2005 SP is still doing well, but as a retirement investment? Nothing I have can really constitute a collectible, only possibility is the 35f1.2 Nokton in SC mount - if I ever would have to replace it. It is being used like all my other stuff.
I dont mind "replicas" of old cameras (Leica MP, Nikon S3/SP and even more so, the lenses) as long as these things are being put into service. It is the "boxed - Mint" that I am suspcious off.
At the NHSA meet here in Vancouver, I did pick up a 25mm f4.0 Rf Nikkor, with hood,caps, case. In some eyes it is a collectible, in mine it is an interesting lens from the 50's and I have put a lot of rolls through it in the last couple of month.
JonR
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Intreresting discussion.... 2 comments:
I can only agree with Jon M regarding the Zeiss Sonnar in S-mount - I have used mine for some time now and it is for sure a good performer and I am happy I bought one of the maybe 600 or so manufactued!
One other reflection - everyone here at RFF seems to believe that if Nikon came out with a new RF-camera it would be Leica M-mount.... I am not that sure... the whole history of Nikon is around lenses AND cameras and I am sure that if there was a "rangefinder" type of camera to be launched it would also include a nikon type of lens - maybe a the present or a new bayonet or maybe even an extension of the Coolpix range of "point and shoot" cameras (compare with trends we see in the Sigma DP1)...
/Jon
I can only agree with Jon M regarding the Zeiss Sonnar in S-mount - I have used mine for some time now and it is for sure a good performer and I am happy I bought one of the maybe 600 or so manufactued!
One other reflection - everyone here at RFF seems to believe that if Nikon came out with a new RF-camera it would be Leica M-mount.... I am not that sure... the whole history of Nikon is around lenses AND cameras and I am sure that if there was a "rangefinder" type of camera to be launched it would also include a nikon type of lens - maybe a the present or a new bayonet or maybe even an extension of the Coolpix range of "point and shoot" cameras (compare with trends we see in the Sigma DP1)...
/Jon
wjlapier
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If Zeiss brings out an S-mount version of the ZM 21/4.5, I'll be the first in line to buy it
Me too if it's as hefty as the 50's version. The VC 21 felt---um--cheap compared to the CZ 21. I don't know, call me crazy, but I like the heft of the old heavy lenses and bodies.
wjlapier
Well-known
I hope it isn't a fixed lens or some sort of zoom. I'd prefer a S mount so I could use my lenses I have now. Seems odd that M mount would be considered, but it would be kinda cool to see some new S mount lenses like the 21 and 25.
loneranger
Well-known
Well, It seems like if Zeiss came out with 21/4.5 in SC mount, it would be instantly sold out, let's hope some Zeiss tech is reading.
NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
Tom,
you said before that the last example had too much flare for your liking, So you sold it.
Does this example fare any better? Less flare that the last one?
BTW, I would like to collect one to take pictures with.
Kiu
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
The previous 25f4.0 had some severe scratches on the front element and caused it to flare badly. It went back to Japan as a gift and had a new front lement sourced for it! It now works fine.
The one I got here in Vancouver was in good shape and, though a bit more flare sensitive than a VC 25, it is a highly usable lens. Weird aperture control and internal focus. Very compact too. The original hood was an added bonus too as they are quite rare. They suffered from that common Nikon malady - they fell off and got lost. The "bayonet" lock for the hood on the 25 need a bit of a "tweak" with a jewellers file to really fit and stay on.
The image looks a bit wider than 25mm, closer to a 23-24 mm, just as the Nikkor 21f4.0 is closer to a 19mm than a 21. This is the F-mount version, but I have the F-SC adapter so I use it on my Bd S2 which has a very faint rangefinder patch anyway.
I also suspect that CV entry into the Nikkor RF lens line did create quite a bit of more interest in Nikon RF's and to some extent is responsible for the resurgence of Nikon Rf popularity.
The Bessa R2S gave us that opportunity to have a metered Nikon Rf body as well as provide the impetus to aquire more stuff! I think most of the interest has been aimed at user stuff now and that might explain the steep drop in the "pseudo collectibles" like the Millenium S3 and the 2005 SP. They are being bought by users and enthusiasts, rather than collectors.
There seems to be a bit of a Digital backlash. People are tired of cameras that does everything and you have no idea whats going on! With a vintage camera, film based, you actually have to know a bit and put the knowledge to use to get a satisfactory result. "Post processing" might be as simple as putting pictures in an album or even sticking a negative into an enlarger and printing! I am not talking about commercial work here - that has gone digital and will most likely become even more so in the future. This is enthusiasts and "amateurs" in the true sense of the word who is driving this trend.
The one I got here in Vancouver was in good shape and, though a bit more flare sensitive than a VC 25, it is a highly usable lens. Weird aperture control and internal focus. Very compact too. The original hood was an added bonus too as they are quite rare. They suffered from that common Nikon malady - they fell off and got lost. The "bayonet" lock for the hood on the 25 need a bit of a "tweak" with a jewellers file to really fit and stay on.
The image looks a bit wider than 25mm, closer to a 23-24 mm, just as the Nikkor 21f4.0 is closer to a 19mm than a 21. This is the F-mount version, but I have the F-SC adapter so I use it on my Bd S2 which has a very faint rangefinder patch anyway.
I also suspect that CV entry into the Nikkor RF lens line did create quite a bit of more interest in Nikon RF's and to some extent is responsible for the resurgence of Nikon Rf popularity.
The Bessa R2S gave us that opportunity to have a metered Nikon Rf body as well as provide the impetus to aquire more stuff! I think most of the interest has been aimed at user stuff now and that might explain the steep drop in the "pseudo collectibles" like the Millenium S3 and the 2005 SP. They are being bought by users and enthusiasts, rather than collectors.
There seems to be a bit of a Digital backlash. People are tired of cameras that does everything and you have no idea whats going on! With a vintage camera, film based, you actually have to know a bit and put the knowledge to use to get a satisfactory result. "Post processing" might be as simple as putting pictures in an album or even sticking a negative into an enlarger and printing! I am not talking about commercial work here - that has gone digital and will most likely become even more so in the future. This is enthusiasts and "amateurs" in the true sense of the word who is driving this trend.
NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
Tom,
I am lost here, I thought there were no 25s made in the F mount although there are a bunch of 21s in F mount(compared to a fraction is RF mount(200)).
Soooooooo,
Did you get a 2.1 or a 2.5?
Kiu
PS: I do wish for a 25 Nikkor RF