Just In Case

I carry my iPhone with me most of the time, but rarely use it as a camera. I have no need for a pocketable camera. Just like I have no need for a pocketable hammer.
 
Chriscrawfordphoto said:
I carry a good camera with me at all times. Cellphone cameras give crap image quality. I know a million people will start telling me how awesome the photos they shoot with their iPhones are. No, they're not. They're crap. Make a 16x20 print and compare it to one made from a pro level camera. There's just no comparison.
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Chris has much more experience than me, but I think I have to respectfully disagree with the "crap image quality" assertion. Cell phones certainly can't compare with a pro level camera on the 16x20 print level, but that doesn't mean they can't take decent enough photos. I can think of many scenarios of photos you'd never print to 16x20, but where a good cell phone capture would be more than sufficient. On the more benign end of the spectrum, perhaps documenting a fender bender for insurance purposes.

Obviously you use the right tool for the job, but for the "just in case" scenarios that the OP mentions, having a cell phone with a decent camera is better than nothing. If I had to choose between no photo at all, and a "crap" photo that doesn't print well at 16x20, I'd most likely choose the latter.

p.s. I still carry a good 'ol film camera most places I go.
 
Chriscrawfordphoto said:
I carry a good camera with me at all times. Cellphone cameras give crap image quality. I know a million people will start telling me how awesome the photos they shoot with their iPhones are. No, they're not. They're crap. Make a 16x20 print and compare it to one made from a pro level camera. There's just no comparison.
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Says the guy shooting m43. We all draw the line differently. And print different sizes.
 
I use a nice long camera strap, a small prime lens, and sling a FF DSLR around my back. I keep a plastic bag in my pocked in case it rains. Yes. I walk around with a FF DSLR -- not all --but a good bit of the time.
 
NickTrop said:
I use a nice long camera strap, a small prime lens, and sling a FF DSLR around my back. I keep a plastic bag in my pocked in case it rains. Yes. I walk around with a FF DSLR -- not all --but a good bit of the time.
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Yep …. wish I`d have done that today.
Out with a few friends buying a horse , thought I`d just take some static shots so only took an A7r2 and a 50 cron.
Whole job turned into taking riding shots and I was struggling with manual focus.
For the sake of a light carry I lost a great deal of flexibility.
So that's twice I`ve been caught out in one weekend all because I wanted to save carrying a few pounds :bang:
 
I forever forget to carry my phone, but rarely forget my camera. I have a Fuji X-E3 that is my constant companion, well that and my wife, any smaller than that I get uncomfortable. I have a Lumix LX100 that makes a fine image but it's too small for my very clumsy, arthritic hands.
 
jsrockit said:
So, are you saying an M43 camera cannot make a good 16x20" print?
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He's trying to be snarky. I make my living selling my prints. I used the fullframe Canon 5DmkII before switching to M43, and before I switched I did a lot of test shots with the camera I ended up buying to be sure it was capable enough for someone as exacting as I am.


It was. In fact, the images had more fine detail resolution. Canon uses rather strong anti-aliasing filters on their sensors. Olympus uses none on their 20mp cameras (the Canon I used was also a 20mp camera). On top of that was the optical quality of the lenses. Olympus's Pro Series lenses are just plain sharper than Canon's L lenses.
 
ptpdprinter said:
I carry my iPhone with me most of the time, but rarely use it as a camera. I have no need for a pocketable camera. Just like I have no need for a pocketable hammer.
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No need for a pocketable hammer? What an odd thing to say... Is this a thinly veiled cameras must be BIG and laborious to carry/use to be credible thing?
 
I find the phones impossible to use and I will not invest in the Ricoh...small for sure but the lack of a viewfinder kills the deal. The Fuji X-100 series fit in my cargo pant shorts...better since carrying a camera in your shirt pocket in SE Asia is asking to be robbed.
 
Olympus XA is the perfect carry it everywhere then accidentally throw it forwards and to the ground when something interesting is happening camera for me.

A digital camera to overcome the shortcomings of a phone camera seems like a short odds bet with the current pace of change in that sector - I agree phone images can currently look terrible but maybe quality isn't the deciding factor for this use. I certainly never printed anything 16 x 20" for myself.

Advanced but small camera with rudimentary phone included would be the gamechanger here maybe - networking + whatsapp capablity = no more need for a phone at all.
 
Montag said:
Olympus XA is the perfect carry it everywhere then accidentally throw it forwards and to the ground when something interesting is happening camera for me.

A digital camera to overcome the shortcomings of a phone camera seems like a short odds bet with the current pace of change in that sector - I agree phone images can currently look terrible but maybe quality isn't the deciding factor for this use. I certainly never printed anything 16 x 20" for myself.

Advanced but small camera with rudimentary phone included would be the gamechanger here maybe - networking + whatsapp capablity = no more need for a phone at all.
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I thought you were going to say we need a digital XA... which is something that I’d personally love to have. My god, a tiny digital with a mechanical rangefinder ... drool.
 
I once tried carrying an Oly digital around all the time but soon discovered that it didn't work for me. So it was back to a small bag and the slr/dslr. If I were more methodical about my photography I could see using a pocketable as sort of a "sketch" book for a later shot with the slr/dslr.

I would like to try the concept with a Rd1
 
I carry a camera with me most of the time. It is usually an SLR or RF (film), but I also have a pocketable Olympus Stylus Infinity and a Olympus 35RC. These work great for me.
 
Peter Wijninga said:
I find the phones impossible to use and I will not invest in the Ricoh...small for sure but the lack of a viewfinder kills the deal. The Fuji X-100 series fit in my cargo pant shorts...better since carrying a camera in your shirt pocket in SE Asia is asking to be robbed.
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Peter - I think the Fuji X-100 series is great and, for me, a more all purpose focal length. But the lack of a viewfinder isn't a killer on the Ricoh, at least among the folks I know. We all use an old Leica 28mm bright line finder in the shoe of the Ricoh. I understand the Ricoh also makes a bright line finder. I also have to confess that among the folks I know, the Ricoh is in your pocket or on your belt when you are "not carrying a camera" or at least not a body that won't fit in your pocket or one that is normally in a bag with a few lenses. That said, the image quality of both recent Ricohs is quite amazing, especially compared to the 1/2 frame film cameras that a number of us used to carry for the same space saving purpose. Yes, it is the PHONE KILLER.
 
Bill Pierce said:
But the lack of a viewfinder isn't a killer on the Ricoh, at least among the folks I know. We all use an old Leica 28mm bright line finder in the shoe of the Ricoh. I understand the Ricoh also makes a bright line finder.
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I've always used a black Voitlander finder in the shoe of the various Richo models I`ve owned over the years.
It makes a big difference.
 
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