Rafael
Mandlerian
After spending many days couped up in the house working at the computer, I finally found a couple of hours today to head out onto the streets to take some photographs. I hadn't made it two blocks when I ran into two guys I know but have never really liked all that much. Still, I felt obligated to stop and say hello. One of the guys looked at the camera hanging around my neck and asked, "so, just snappin' some pics?" I responded with a nod and quickly found an excuse to move on. But his question got me thinking. In fact, I spent most of the next couple of hours thinking about what, exactly, I was doing out there on the street with my camera. I concluded that I was, in fact, doing a whole lot more than "snappin' pics."
Now I know that different people hold competing conceptions of street photography. The narrowest definitions of the term seem to limit it to the taking of un-posed black and white photographs of people, usually strangers, on the street. Others include under the rubric of street photography any photographs that were taken in an urban setting. I have come to understand that I fall into the second category and that I define street photography not by gear or film or subject matter but by the possibilities that it holds for the communication of emotions and ideas through visiual imagery.
What sets street photography apart from the other types of photography that I do is that, unlike all of the others, my street photography is guided exclusively by what I want to communicate. Whenever I shoot an event or a portrait or a dog sport, the subject matter is dictated to me. Even when I shoot a family gathering, the subject matter is already there. Sure, whenever I am taking photographs I am presenting the subject in my own way. But the degree to which I am expressing myself through these types of photographs pales in comparison to the personal expression that is in (or that I strive for in) my street photography.
It is often said or written that photography is the art form for those who have little or no talent for painting or drawing. I disagree wholeheartedly. Through photography we can do something that is impossible for a painter or a sketcher: we can capture a moment in time that, while unique, can evoke or communicate human emotions that are universal. Certainly a realist artist can achieve a similar result. But he or she always has the option to exclude or include aspects of the scene that he or she is reproducing. And, no matter how good he or she is, the realist artist is always drawing or painting the scene over time. So, discounting photo manipulation for the time being, we can say that only the photographer communicates by composing images exclusively from the subject matter of his or her environment as it is at any given moment.
Now, I know that some street photographers think of their enterprise as one of simply following their nose in order to find whatever is presented to them on the streets. I don't think that this is a full description of street photography, at least not in the way that I have come to understand it. I agree that street photography necessarily entails wandering in search of photographs. But what are you looking for as you wander? Personally, I am looking for compositions that will communicate whatever it is that I have in my mind. Sometimes it's an emotion. Sometimes I have an idea in mind. But I am never wandering aimlessly.
If you accept or share my understanding of street photography, I believe that you are required to relinquish any firm rules about its definition. It can't be limited to black and white images, or to un-posed photographs, or to photographs of people, or to rf photography. It can only be limited by the vision of the photograher. Film, camera, and subject choices should be determined exclusively by the emotion or the idea that the photographer seeks to communicate.
Documentary photographers often describe their role as that of the medium through which stories are told. Of course, the personal vision and artistry of the photographer come through in his or her photographs. But, the primary objective is the telling of the story. Street photography, as I understand it, is the opposite of documentary photography. The street photographer searches out photographs that will communicate his or her own vision. The ideas or emotions that the photographer seeks to communicate are primary. The story, if indeed there is one, is told in order to communicate them.
So, to come back to the original question, the answer is no. I was not simply snappin' some pics. However good or bad the results of my outing turn out to be, the enterprise was far grander than simply snappin' some pics.
Now I know that different people hold competing conceptions of street photography. The narrowest definitions of the term seem to limit it to the taking of un-posed black and white photographs of people, usually strangers, on the street. Others include under the rubric of street photography any photographs that were taken in an urban setting. I have come to understand that I fall into the second category and that I define street photography not by gear or film or subject matter but by the possibilities that it holds for the communication of emotions and ideas through visiual imagery.
What sets street photography apart from the other types of photography that I do is that, unlike all of the others, my street photography is guided exclusively by what I want to communicate. Whenever I shoot an event or a portrait or a dog sport, the subject matter is dictated to me. Even when I shoot a family gathering, the subject matter is already there. Sure, whenever I am taking photographs I am presenting the subject in my own way. But the degree to which I am expressing myself through these types of photographs pales in comparison to the personal expression that is in (or that I strive for in) my street photography.
It is often said or written that photography is the art form for those who have little or no talent for painting or drawing. I disagree wholeheartedly. Through photography we can do something that is impossible for a painter or a sketcher: we can capture a moment in time that, while unique, can evoke or communicate human emotions that are universal. Certainly a realist artist can achieve a similar result. But he or she always has the option to exclude or include aspects of the scene that he or she is reproducing. And, no matter how good he or she is, the realist artist is always drawing or painting the scene over time. So, discounting photo manipulation for the time being, we can say that only the photographer communicates by composing images exclusively from the subject matter of his or her environment as it is at any given moment.
Now, I know that some street photographers think of their enterprise as one of simply following their nose in order to find whatever is presented to them on the streets. I don't think that this is a full description of street photography, at least not in the way that I have come to understand it. I agree that street photography necessarily entails wandering in search of photographs. But what are you looking for as you wander? Personally, I am looking for compositions that will communicate whatever it is that I have in my mind. Sometimes it's an emotion. Sometimes I have an idea in mind. But I am never wandering aimlessly.
If you accept or share my understanding of street photography, I believe that you are required to relinquish any firm rules about its definition. It can't be limited to black and white images, or to un-posed photographs, or to photographs of people, or to rf photography. It can only be limited by the vision of the photograher. Film, camera, and subject choices should be determined exclusively by the emotion or the idea that the photographer seeks to communicate.
Documentary photographers often describe their role as that of the medium through which stories are told. Of course, the personal vision and artistry of the photographer come through in his or her photographs. But, the primary objective is the telling of the story. Street photography, as I understand it, is the opposite of documentary photography. The street photographer searches out photographs that will communicate his or her own vision. The ideas or emotions that the photographer seeks to communicate are primary. The story, if indeed there is one, is told in order to communicate them.
So, to come back to the original question, the answer is no. I was not simply snappin' some pics. However good or bad the results of my outing turn out to be, the enterprise was far grander than simply snappin' some pics.
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rgeorge911
Established
Street Photography
Street Photography
Marc,
I agree that the scope of street photography is broader than any one classification. For me, it does involve "wandering around," but may result in anything from un-posed, un-noticed people photography to "found still lifes" (meaning, "I don't know why, but I love the way that street line runs into the median almost in line with that mailbox.")...
On people, I'm about 50/50 on whether or not I interact with the subject(s). If I'm feeling gregarious, I sit and talk with someone (for over an hour sometimes), and then ask if I can make a photo. Other times, I get the shot and put the camera back at a non-threatening level as fast as possible. I must say that the pictures associated with interaction with the subject usually mean more to ME. However, I doubt if they're any more satisfying to other viewers.
Sometimes when I get out, I'm inspired, and I hope it shows. Sometimes I'm not, and it does turn into "snappin' some pics." That, I'm very sure, is obvious in the results.
Right now, I'm living in the ultimate suburban nightmare, and have to travel about an hour to find any interesting street subjects. Or, maybe I'm just being closed minded. Either way, I'm longing for the chance to get out and wander more often.
Nice post. Thanks.
Reed
Street Photography
Marc,
I agree that the scope of street photography is broader than any one classification. For me, it does involve "wandering around," but may result in anything from un-posed, un-noticed people photography to "found still lifes" (meaning, "I don't know why, but I love the way that street line runs into the median almost in line with that mailbox.")...
On people, I'm about 50/50 on whether or not I interact with the subject(s). If I'm feeling gregarious, I sit and talk with someone (for over an hour sometimes), and then ask if I can make a photo. Other times, I get the shot and put the camera back at a non-threatening level as fast as possible. I must say that the pictures associated with interaction with the subject usually mean more to ME. However, I doubt if they're any more satisfying to other viewers.
Sometimes when I get out, I'm inspired, and I hope it shows. Sometimes I'm not, and it does turn into "snappin' some pics." That, I'm very sure, is obvious in the results.
Right now, I'm living in the ultimate suburban nightmare, and have to travel about an hour to find any interesting street subjects. Or, maybe I'm just being closed minded. Either way, I'm longing for the chance to get out and wander more often.
Nice post. Thanks.
Reed
otaku
Established
I'll tell you what will be interesting-black friday I work that day and plan on bringing my camera with me should be interesting (my first BF) hopefully shoot a roll or two
mgilvey
RF Newby, Photog Oldy
I was first introduced to "street photography" in the mid-1980's by one of my photography professors at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh. I was visiting him at his studio in the old Stroh's brewery when he asked me if I wanted to go out and shoot some. I really didn't know what to make of it at first because up to that point, I had gone out and photographed for class assignments but never really considered it "street photography." This was different. I didn't really have any goals in mind, it was more like exploration looking for something that would grab my eye. Well it stuck with me and I did more of it over the years.
For me, street photography is kind of like foreplay for the creative mind. I say that because when I photograph I usually try to satisfy my minds need to make a compositionally sound image first, then I wait for the moment. Sometime, I think I pay more attention to the composition than I do the moment.
I started photographing when I was about 15, went to photography school so I could understand it better and later began designing graphics and artwork/layout. I wanted to make more of my photos have better composition so I studied graphics and layout to influence and make my photography better if that makes sense.
I haven't really done much street photography for a while so in the last two years, I picked up a Minox DCC Leica M3. I have both 4 and 5mp versions, hoping that this will push me to "catch" a few more moments. I have been working on familiarizing myself with its technical limitations and am now starting to use it without having to think too much about what the camera is doing and pay more attention to what's in the preview screen. http://myfxjournal.vox.com
For me, street photography is kind of like foreplay for the creative mind. I say that because when I photograph I usually try to satisfy my minds need to make a compositionally sound image first, then I wait for the moment. Sometime, I think I pay more attention to the composition than I do the moment.
I started photographing when I was about 15, went to photography school so I could understand it better and later began designing graphics and artwork/layout. I wanted to make more of my photos have better composition so I studied graphics and layout to influence and make my photography better if that makes sense.
I haven't really done much street photography for a while so in the last two years, I picked up a Minox DCC Leica M3. I have both 4 and 5mp versions, hoping that this will push me to "catch" a few more moments. I have been working on familiarizing myself with its technical limitations and am now starting to use it without having to think too much about what the camera is doing and pay more attention to what's in the preview screen. http://myfxjournal.vox.com
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SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I kinda like the expression of "finding still lifes" and can see how it applies to street photography. I used to believe I was being artistic... until I decided to be a documentarian of sorts. Hence, when I go in the streets, I want to document life as it was lived in my time. After seeing photographs by Atget, for instance, I came to realize the value of shooting what others may consider snapshots. My snapshots of today are the documents of tomorrow... or so I chose to think.
What about you?
What about you?
back alley
IMAGES
i mostly just wander aimlessly...
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tedwhite
Guest
What Joe said. I wander aimlessly, sort of in a zen mode - not caring, not thinking, not wanting, but somehow alert anyway.
On occasion I'll wander for an hour or two and take merely 4-5 pictures, and that's usually in my town, where I've lived for thirty years and I guess psychologically I feel as if I've already photographed everything.
It's when I go to another city or town, where everything is visually fresh, that I really get cranking.
But then a friend of mine who had never been to Bisbee wandered about and made several outstanding shots - images that had been right in front of me all along. He had done the same thing that I just mentioned in the previous paragraph. Made me mad (how stupid).
Made me aware that I had become stagnant. Now I walk around this small town. Pretend I've never been here before. Try to see it as new.
I have to kick myself in the ass once in awhile.
On occasion I'll wander for an hour or two and take merely 4-5 pictures, and that's usually in my town, where I've lived for thirty years and I guess psychologically I feel as if I've already photographed everything.
It's when I go to another city or town, where everything is visually fresh, that I really get cranking.
But then a friend of mine who had never been to Bisbee wandered about and made several outstanding shots - images that had been right in front of me all along. He had done the same thing that I just mentioned in the previous paragraph. Made me mad (how stupid).
Made me aware that I had become stagnant. Now I walk around this small town. Pretend I've never been here before. Try to see it as new.
I have to kick myself in the ass once in awhile.
mgilvey
RF Newby, Photog Oldy
This same thing happened to a friend of mine. She sold her house in a town she did not really like and then went back sometime later and saw things differently. http://photolee.vox.com/library/post/same-place-different-viewpoint.html
I often wonder what I would photograph in my hometown if I were to return.
I often wonder what I would photograph in my hometown if I were to return.
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
Interesting discussion. I would like to comment on something Rafael stated: "Documentary photographers often describe their role as that of the medium through which stories are told."
Up to now I've tended to think that there's a distinction between 'street photography' and 'documentary photography', although the latter can take place in the former. That is, while we may have each spent many hours wandering the streets making interesting compositions, they may not necessarily function as 'documentary' work because an entire series of images may lack the continuity of story-telling.
What I'm thinking now is that perhaps individual 'street' photographs can work as single-image documents; one image that tells a complete story. And a series of such 'street' photographs, rather than containing story-like continuity from one image to the next, each represent a distinct story unto itself.
~Joe
Up to now I've tended to think that there's a distinction between 'street photography' and 'documentary photography', although the latter can take place in the former. That is, while we may have each spent many hours wandering the streets making interesting compositions, they may not necessarily function as 'documentary' work because an entire series of images may lack the continuity of story-telling.
What I'm thinking now is that perhaps individual 'street' photographs can work as single-image documents; one image that tells a complete story. And a series of such 'street' photographs, rather than containing story-like continuity from one image to the next, each represent a distinct story unto itself.
~Joe
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
It seems that there is a fair amount of overlap between street photography and documentary photography. Having done my share of both, they share much common ground in my experience.
You could say that all street photography is documentary in nature but not all documentary photography is street photography. I think that would be a reasonable viewpoint - wouldn't it?
You could say that all street photography is documentary in nature but not all documentary photography is street photography. I think that would be a reasonable viewpoint - wouldn't it?
kbg32
neo-romanticist
I did that once, when I helped my mother move. While the movers were finishing up, I decided to stroll around the block and walk past my old elementary school. I noticed that I was being followed at some point by a police car. I stopped to take a photo of my childhood house, with the court sign across the street, when he let the siren rip and the lights go flashing. He asked what I was doing, I tried to explain, but he wouldn't hear me. My mom saw what was happening. She was 75 at the time and came running across the street. The cop explained that there was a report of man walking around the neighborhood with a camera, who looked suspicious. You should have heard my sweet old mom give him the riot act. My mom actually taught in the school till she retired. Anyway, the cop ran my ID through his computer and I was clean. He gave me a warning, "Be careful". Needless to say, I am ever so happy never to return to my hometown.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Choose a good place.
Stay there until the picture(s) happen(s).
Cheers,
R.
Stay there until the picture(s) happen(s).
Cheers,
R.
Spanik
Well-known
Can 't help but think it is some kind of justified voyeurism.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
I agree with Bresson and great street photography is more than just snapshots of people on the street that are without visual rhyme or reason. I think the same visual language applies to make all good visual work. I'm going ot quote Bresson because he says it some much better then I do but I agree and this type of work when done well is very difficult to do consistently.
"What reinforces the content of a photograph is the sense of rhythm – the relationship between shapes and values." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"Inside movement there is one moment in which the elements are in balance. Photography must seize the importance of this moment and hold immobile the equilibrium of it." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"For a subject to be strong enough to be worth photographing, the relationship of its forms must be rigorously established. Composition starts when you situate your camera in space in relation to the object. For me, photography is the exploration in reality of the rhythm of surfaces, lines, or values; the eye carves out its subject, and the camera has only to do its work. That work is simply to print the eye’s decision on film." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"To me, photography is the simultaneous recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the significance of an event, as well as of a precise organisation of forms which give that event its proper expression."-Henry Cartier-Bresson
"For me, content cannot be separated from form. By form, I mean the rigorous organisation of the interplay of surfaces, lines and values. It is in this organisation alone that our conceptions and emotions become concrete and communicable. In photography, visual organisation can stem only from a developed instinct." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"What reinforces the content of a photograph is the sense of rhythm – the relationship between shapes and values." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"Inside movement there is one moment in which the elements are in balance. Photography must seize the importance of this moment and hold immobile the equilibrium of it." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"For a subject to be strong enough to be worth photographing, the relationship of its forms must be rigorously established. Composition starts when you situate your camera in space in relation to the object. For me, photography is the exploration in reality of the rhythm of surfaces, lines, or values; the eye carves out its subject, and the camera has only to do its work. That work is simply to print the eye’s decision on film." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
"To me, photography is the simultaneous recognition, in a fraction of a second, of the significance of an event, as well as of a precise organisation of forms which give that event its proper expression."-Henry Cartier-Bresson
"For me, content cannot be separated from form. By form, I mean the rigorous organisation of the interplay of surfaces, lines and values. It is in this organisation alone that our conceptions and emotions become concrete and communicable. In photography, visual organisation can stem only from a developed instinct." - Henri Cartier-Bresson
Roger Hicks
Veteran
http://www.amazon.fr/Derrière-lobjectif-Willy-Ronis-Photos/dp/2842303709
Possibly the best book ever on the subject -- provided you can read it in French (no English translation available yet).
M. Ronis had the advantage of being a LOT less pompous than HCB.
Cheers,
R.
Possibly the best book ever on the subject -- provided you can read it in French (no English translation available yet).
M. Ronis had the advantage of being a LOT less pompous than HCB.
Cheers,
R.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Well, HBC could be a bit pompous but his work did show his ability to consistently back up his words and his words are very true.
Spanik
Well-known
You honestly find that? For me they are nothing but snapshots. Nothing better than random pushing the shutter release.
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
airfrogusmc
Veteran
So you don't see the repeating shapes, leading lines, and geometry that dominates his work?
I can bring up some of his work and show you. Its what his work is all about and what most really good photographs are about. The man knew how to use visual language.
Exdsc
Well-known
A snap shot is the most carefully shot photograph, as Winogrand used to say, people when they take snaps quite often compose carefully, make sure everyone is smiling and in the frame.
When you say something like that about HCB, unfortunately it reflects more on your own knowledge and visual education.