Just when you thought the war was over! Sony 60 MP


Wow.

All I can say is that I am grateful for technology that continues to get better and cheaper. Each new generation eventually becomes old and cheap and that's when I buy it; and it's quite good enough for me by then.

I started my digital journey with a 640K (yes, 1/3 of a megapixel) Olympus D-220L, and I've worked my way to a Pentax K-50. Is there better out there? Oh my yes. But for the price, I feel very comfortable where I'm at. As things progress, this great new tech will eventually trickle down to my level.
 
Wow.

All I can say is that I am grateful for technology that continues to get better and cheaper. Each new generation eventually becomes old and cheap and that's when I buy it; and it's quite good enough for me by then...

Ditto - though unlike you I had no interest in buying early digital cameras as I was already heavily invested in film and I could see that digital was not going to match that for quite a few years. I eventually succumbed when Nikon bought out their D70s as this was the first camera that could really begin to compete. And it is the last new camera I have bought for the reason you mention. My two most "serious" cameras are still a Nikon D700 (bought second hand maybe 6 years ago for about half of new price and still going strong) and a Leica M8 (ditto). I have supplemented these with a couple of mirrorless cameras simply as they were so cheap to buy second hand and gave me the opportunity to put a lot of old lenses (also bought second hand) to use once more.

BTW in relation to the original post while I am not yearning for a 60 megapixel sensor I am interested in anything that improves dynamic range of digital or otherwise improves image quality (which in general is already excellent for most purposes). If 16 bit RAW does this then my ears have picked up and I am listening. Though my wallet will no doubt be hurting given the anticipated need to upgrade both computer hardware and processing software.
 
I'm completely happy that things move fast in digital... because so do the used camera prices. At this rate... we are soon going to have 36mp FF cameras at $500 by next year (Sony A7R and Nikon D800).
 
Although this may herald an improvement in DR, resolution, etc, I think I'm becoming very jaded by all of this. Maybe I'm just getting old, and I recognize that selecting the way that one works is a purely personal decision for nonprofessionals.

I shot hundreds and hundreds of digital color images on a trip last summer using a 16 MP Nikon SLR. I've had largish prints (10x15") made from some of these images, and they had detail and dynamic range aplenty. I expect that I may buy another digital camera before the end, but I will not be in the same hurry as in past years.
 
16 channels of audio is norm for one channel of video in the broadcast.

8K is 4K x2, double UHD. It went from SD to HD in nineties. Our costumers are converting some of their facilities and trucks to UHD. Which is HD four times. Some big manufactures are still unable to fulfill their promises with 4K equipment. And most broadcast in HD.

It is NHK pushing to broadcast in 8K for 2020 Olympics. I guess, Sony gets big cut of the pie with their broadcast cameras and Canon might be as well.

Here isn't many 4K broadcasting companies. But 8K is going to be same as winter Olympics in nineties in HD. Well, slightly better. Back then we had one HD TV set for entire TV station. And in was in empty room for technical demonstrations only.
Now they have one TV set for 8K in BB USA store. 14K USD to watch 8K.

To handle 8K signal digitally 25 GB network switching devices are needed.

This will keep company I'm working for busy. 588x588 HD router becomes 74x74 router with 8K. And for sport events it has to be redundant....

I was staying late today at work, trying to get spare signal switching, routing card to one of the NHL broadcast centers to be send overnight. Even if they might have it redundant it is not a good feeling to have only one switching path for the game.
 
In war and in photographic equipment innovation movement is all. Failure to move is death. If makers stop innovating sooner or later the market stops buying, money dries up, R and D (which creates the next generation of innovations to sell so the cycle can continue) then stops and shortly after so do the production lines. Then no more Nikon, Canon or whatever. At least not in their current form.

So they will keep finding new reasons to innovate. Or, as with the megapixel war which seemed to have a short armistice, they will recycle the same old reason on a new even more mind boggling scale.

I have said before that I recall reading various articles in the early days of digital (say late 1990's early 2000's) that to match film in terms of information captured digital sensors were going to need about 25 megapixels, maybe 30 mp at a stretch. Given that, at the time sensors were around 1 megapixel, that was quite a big "ask" back then.

But less than 20 years on, and we are now there in terms of every day products being marketed and well beyond that in terms of the cutting edge technology now on the market or soon to be.
 
16 channels of audio is norm for one channel of video in the broadcast.

I don't think 16 channels in this sense has anything to do with audio though. Why would a sensor be rated for audio? Audio is multiplexed into a video stream later down the line. I think this is just talking about data output lines from the sensor itself. Also called a multi-tap sensor. This would allow for quicker readout from the sensor to enable higher data transfer/higher frame rates.

Shawn
 
I don't think 16 channels in this sense has anything to do with audio though. Why would a sensor be rated for audio? Audio is multiplexed into a video stream later down the line. I think this is just talking about data output lines from the sensor itself. Also called a multi-tap sensor. This would allow for quicker readout from the sensor to enable higher data transfer/higher frame rates.

Shawn

Too much time at work, sorry. I see audio everywhere. 🙂
 
Well, honestly I hope that companies start competing by making interesting cameras that don't follow the norm. There aren't that many cameras, that don't follow the me too dslr shaped mirrorless camera mold, being made these days. It would be nice to see more super high quality compacts now that 24mp FF sensors are pedestrian.
 
Well, honestly I hope that companies start competing by making interesting cameras that don't follow the norm. There aren't that many cameras, that don't follow the me too dslr shaped mirrorless camera mold, being made these days. It would be nice to see more super high quality compacts now that 24mp FF sensors are pedestrian.

Yes. But. When Zeiss introduced the ZX1 at photokina, (super high quality compact if there ever was one from the looks of it) the complaints, whether people admit it or not, were in essence that it didn’t follow the norm.

https://zx1.zeiss.com/

People want something different until they see it then they don’t. Too scary.
There’s always something to put somebody off. It’s too big, it’s too small, files are too big, files not big enough, people worrying about being obsoleted next year, something.

The “war” can’t ever be over because it’s a war for market share and company survival, it’s not a war for more useful cameras any longer.
 
I would never want a 60MP camera. 24MP seems to be the sweet spot. I had a Nikon D810 (36MP) for a while and even that was too much compared to the D610 (24MP).

I kinda agree. The 24mp in my (sold) D750 and M240 really is enough for most anything. If I need to print bigger than my normal size (i.e. really big) then I use image resizing software. My D850 and Z7 give greater margin (especially for cropping) but I really just use them for scanning, where it is nice to have such high rez files. But they take up so much memory and really require a new/higher perf computer.
So a 60mp camera would require a new investment in editing/storage hardware. It's not just 'yay I bought a new super meg pix camera!' It's now a 'darn I also need to upgrade my computer and hard drives'..
 
.....So a 60mp camera would require a new investment in editing/storage hardware. It's not just 'yay I bought a new super meg pix camera!' It's now a 'darn I also need to upgrade my computer and hard drives'..

And so you by bigger & faster drives and cpu and a bigger pipe to/from the internet.......then the next wave of MP sensors get fired over the transom and you upgrade.......Marketing and capitalism rock.

I'd like to see an EVF war please and thank you.

B2 (;->
 
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