kshapero
South Florida Man
a bunch of BS
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
Wait what? I didn't know photographers caused the bombings. Somebody's gotten into the idiot pills again apparently.
anjoca76
Well-known
This is not new. Most large concert venues, if you read the fine print, do not allow interchangeable lens cameras. Just as an example, I went to see Phish last summer at Saratoga Performing Arts Center (SPAC). Interchangeable lens cameras were prohibited, according to the venue's website (which I check beforehand). Nevertheless, I took a chances and had my iiiC loaded with drug-store color film and a cheap Industar 22, and not only was I let through, but the security people were wooed by my "cool" antique camera.
I think that, though they might say it is for safety purposes that they don't want certain cameras, it really has more to do with the concern that people with big dslr's will make commercial-quality photos that will undercut the "pros" who are hire to, in this case, shoot the derby. At the concert I went to, security personnel had no clue that my modest, dorky looking camera was, technically, prohibited. But had I walked in with a big ol' Canon dslr and bazooka-sized lens, I wouldn't have been allowed in.
untitled-42730009 by smokeycalifornia, on Flickr
I think that, though they might say it is for safety purposes that they don't want certain cameras, it really has more to do with the concern that people with big dslr's will make commercial-quality photos that will undercut the "pros" who are hire to, in this case, shoot the derby. At the concert I went to, security personnel had no clue that my modest, dorky looking camera was, technically, prohibited. But had I walked in with a big ol' Canon dslr and bazooka-sized lens, I wouldn't have been allowed in.
untitled-42730009 by smokeycalifornia, on Flickr
Justin Smith
Established
This. It is sad that security is being used as an "excuse". It would be much better if they said that inter-changable lens cameras were not allowed, with no explanation.
Ben Z
Veteran
Ehhhh, this is the same bs as not allowing photography in museums and historic buildings because supposedly it deteriorates the paintings etc. Except they ban all photography, not just flash photography, so their motives are as transparent as a UV filter: sell postcards and picture books in the gift shop. My rule is, if they don't allow photography then I'm not paying to get in.
charjohncarter
Veteran
This is not new. Most large concert venues, if you read the fine print, do not allow interchangeable lens cameras. Just as an example, I went to see Phish last summer at Saratoga Performing Arts Center (SPAC). Interchangeable lens cameras were prohibited, according to the venue's website (which I check beforehand). Nevertheless, I took a chances and had my iiiC loaded with drug-store color film and a cheap Industar 22, and not only was I let through, but the security people were wooed by my "cool" antique camera.
I think that, though they might say it is for safety purposes that they don't want certain cameras, it really has more to do with the concern that people with big dslr's will make commercial-quality photos that will undercut the "pros" who are hire to, in this case, shoot the derby. At the concert I went to, security personnel had no clue that my modest, dorky looking camera was, technically, prohibited. But had I walked in with a big ol' Canon dslr and bazooka-sized lens, I wouldn't have been allowed in.
untitled-42730009 by smokeycalifornia, on Flickr
Very good point, so now I will take my IIIf or my Balda when I go public.
redisburning
Well-known
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Ah yes,insult the messenger personally with a trite obvious post about the rights of private companies. Yawn. Pot, meet kettle, oh dense one...
Now, were they to ban backpacks, it might actually make sense, but this isn't about sense.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I'd be willing to bet the media will be exempted, right?
igi
Well-known
Good God, gladly somebody pointed this out.
If it became government policy to ban SLR's and the like to public events, then that's the time to self-immolate.
clayne
shoot film or die
Not about security dudes.
All about protecting established/vetted event photographers.
All about protecting established/vetted event photographers.
sig
Well-known
I think backpacks already are covered.....
I can understand that cameras with large or detachable lenses are forbidden.
They are big and come in big backpacks.
What about the small ones?
It is just easier to have simple rules and make it easier for the security people to understand and follow them (my impression is that they are not the smartest people in the world, at least if you read RFF
).No coolers, alcohol and grills is the show stopper for me
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The newly banned items include coolers, camcorders, cameras with large or detachable lenses, large purses, tripods and noisemakers. That list already included prohibitions on alcohol, backpacks, umbrellas, grills and any type of weapon.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/natio...lines-following-boston-bombings#ixzz2RMJFpfip
clayne
shoot film or die
clayne
shoot film or die
I'm simply saying this wouldn't be the first time a private organization/enterprise used a convenient reason to ban something for reasons completely other than reality.
Think about it - is there any sense in the security concerns, given that the FBI/etc. just asked everyone for photographs of the Boston event? If it doesn't make sense...
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
Red is quite right. Voting with one's wallet is guaranteed to preserve both your sanity and your wealth.
cosmonaut
Well-known
In the 80s we had a private Golf Course that held the City County Tournament. In the past the Course did not allow blacks to play. For this reason I refused to play there. We were asked to leave once as we had a black player in the group. I am not sure how or if they resolved the issue before the tournament as I still refused to play.
I think if a private group decides they are going to do something for the public at large they must comply with certain things. Handicapped rest rooms, access, food, water ect. I would think the State of Kentucky has a big say in the running of the Derby as the safety and well being of the people attending are first and foremost. Something like this has the risk of getting a lot of egg on ones face.
Yes the Derby can do as they wish to a POINT. But there are laws out there on the books that protect our well being and rights of the people. They will have to follow these laws or run the risk of public embarrassment. Private or not.
clayne
shoot film or die
What is your point other than "I've been a credentialed photographer at many events." ?
WGIS. You didn't even approach the original point I was making but instead turned it around into some ego-thing. The point is something doesn't line up here with regards to why they're enacting these new "rules."
thegman
Veteran
I may not be one of the smarter people here, but I'd say you're looking for logic where there is none.
Banning of lenses 'over 6 inches' due to 'security', is so stupid, so ignorant, that I almost find it impressive. I find it impressive that people can presumably have a meeting, and come out with this as the result, and not be embarrassed. There is something about that which I find triumphant, a triumph of idiocy, yes, but triumph nonetheless.
j j
Well-known
Of course such restrictions are about image rights. Just like restrictions on bringing drinks and food are about selling more drinks and food. Carrying a bottle of water? Throw that in the bin provided and buy an identical one at the other side of the security check.
Fortunately for photographers and as pointed out by anjoca76security tend to concentrate on SLRs and are ignorant of equally capable cameras such as mirrorless types.
Fortunately for photographers and as pointed out by anjoca76security tend to concentrate on SLRs and are ignorant of equally capable cameras such as mirrorless types.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Probably not just lenses...
(Sorry for the vulgarity, but you know what they say about men with power complexes. I'm surprised they didn't make it 4 inches).
Cheers,
R.