Roger Vadim
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Hi, I just developed a roll of my newly CLA'd Kiev 4, very nice and beautyfull Sonnarish pics...
But: the "bang" of the shutter seems quite extreme (for a RF) and it seems like you need at least a 125th sec to don't get blurred, shaky images.
Do you feel the same? the mass of the shutter, and its vertikal traveling feels like a shake-improver... (thats not the case with my zorki 4 for example)
what do you think?
Sorry, I am not a native speaker, so the terminology might be wrong.
cheerio, Michael
But: the "bang" of the shutter seems quite extreme (for a RF) and it seems like you need at least a 125th sec to don't get blurred, shaky images.
Do you feel the same? the mass of the shutter, and its vertikal traveling feels like a shake-improver... (thats not the case with my zorki 4 for example)
what do you think?
Sorry, I am not a native speaker, so the terminology might be wrong.
cheerio, Michael
Santafecino
button man
Roger--
Your terminology is totally clear.
I have a Kiev 2 that I have used only a little, but there is no shutter shake. I can hand-hold at 1/25 sec. easily. There is something wrong with your Kiev, I think. My advice: Take it back to the person who CLA's it.
--Lindsay
Your terminology is totally clear.
I have a Kiev 2 that I have used only a little, but there is no shutter shake. I can hand-hold at 1/25 sec. easily. There is something wrong with your Kiev, I think. My advice: Take it back to the person who CLA's it.
--Lindsay
feyz
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For me 1/25 is a sure shot with kiev 4a
Xmas
Veteran
Roger
Your English is excellent.
Yes you can feel the impulse of the shutter on a Kiev (or ContaxII), but this impulse is also detectable in a Leica or FSU clone with a fabric shutter.
It should not blur your photo, or rather I dont have a problem with blur until I get to slower speeds, less than 1/50...
Noel
Your English is excellent.
Yes you can feel the impulse of the shutter on a Kiev (or ContaxII), but this impulse is also detectable in a Leica or FSU clone with a fabric shutter.
It should not blur your photo, or rather I dont have a problem with blur until I get to slower speeds, less than 1/50...
Noel
40oz
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no problems with slow shuter speeds on my Kiev's, especially not at the slower speeds. I'd agree that it sounds like something is wrong with yours.
R
ruben
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Roger Vadim said:
Hi Michael,
In order to check we both are singing the same tone, when you write that "it seems like you need at least a 125th sec to don't get blurred, shaky images.", I do understand that you refer to the impression left by the shutter sound.
If my understanding of your message is correct, then several things:
It is the usual for Kievs that the speeds of 1/50 and lower sound like a "zzzzzzzzzzz", being this a feature many fans find of their taste. It is normal for every Kiev due to its special and sophysticated shutter, and your camera will not blurr any image at 1/50 handheld. You can rest in peace here, and don't give much importance to eventual champions testifying about their own handholding capabilities.
But I would be somewhat worry about your feeling of a strong massive shutter at higher speeds. Because there are several possiblities.
One case can be that the same as with the "zzzzzzzzzz", you are new to the Kiev feeling at high shutter speeds.
Other possibility is that your feeling here is correct and then it means that the shutter is over-tensioned, producing a strong impact, much stronger than necessary. Shutter over tension is not a built in characteristic of the Kievs, but a very common desease produced by either previous owners or sellers, or not enough knowledgeable fixers, or the tragic combination of them.
Over tension is felt as well at the second stage of the winding, when the shutter mechanism is lifting up the curtains. Therefore, take the back off the camera and feel the winding while the camera is lifting the curtains. If you feel it is too hard to wind, this may be a sign of over-tension.
Over all, a gpod CLA performed on a Kiev, MUST left it smooth in EVERYTHING. High speeds should feel as a short and smooth impact, but SHORT AND SMOOTH, very far from what you describe.
Now one thing more. I live in Jerusalem, Israel. I think there are around a million folks who migrated to Israel from the FSU. There is no single camera fixer, knowledgeable of Soviet cameras, available to the public. But there is one in Jerusalem, with a square sign reading both in English and Hebrew "Zenit" camera repairs. No matter the sign, the guy has no idea about Soviet cameras too, prompting me to learn the trade myself, hopefully for the benefit of RFF.
Cheers,
Ruben
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Roger Vadim
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Thanks for all the replies!
maybe Ruben is right here - I was doing the CLA by myself
- in a simple way, cleaned everything with ronsinol, it was in pretty good condition anyway, and now it winds very smoothly and the speeds seem quite precise. And it winds really smooth now.... mhm.
I wasn't refering to the wzzzzz Ruben refered to to. Its more like the faster speeds sound a bit harsh and sharp, and you almost can feel the wobble (again compared to my old and worn out fed and Zorki) or shake of the camera when pushing the trigger. The button itself is also not very soft - i removed the spring but it is still a bit clumsy/stiff.
Is the sound of the shutter rather sharp? (it wasn't like that before because of the old lubricants i suppose)
thanks for the input
Cheers, michael
maybe Ruben is right here - I was doing the CLA by myself
- in a simple way, cleaned everything with ronsinol, it was in pretty good condition anyway, and now it winds very smoothly and the speeds seem quite precise. And it winds really smooth now.... mhm.I wasn't refering to the wzzzzz Ruben refered to to. Its more like the faster speeds sound a bit harsh and sharp, and you almost can feel the wobble (again compared to my old and worn out fed and Zorki) or shake of the camera when pushing the trigger. The button itself is also not very soft - i removed the spring but it is still a bit clumsy/stiff.
Is the sound of the shutter rather sharp? (it wasn't like that before because of the old lubricants i suppose)
thanks for the input
Cheers, michael
Xmas
Veteran
Roger
Ruben is correct if the shutter 'pretension' is high, then there will be a loud bang, but Ive not noticed this causing camera shake in my photos. Most of it occurs on the second blind stopping.
Please try firing the shutter at 1/10 with the back off to try and identify when the impulse occurs.
Noel
P.S. edit if you have cleaned the shutter with solvent fluid, then you could consider stripping again and reducing the pretension...
Ruben is correct if the shutter 'pretension' is high, then there will be a loud bang, but Ive not noticed this causing camera shake in my photos. Most of it occurs on the second blind stopping.
Please try firing the shutter at 1/10 with the back off to try and identify when the impulse occurs.
Noel
P.S. edit if you have cleaned the shutter with solvent fluid, then you could consider stripping again and reducing the pretension...
Roger Vadim
Well-known
mhmm. Noel, hi: the 10th is quite smooth (almost looks a bit slow). maybe i somehow have to grease this shuttertrigger, it is as if you press it, because its rather stiff, I shake the camera...
I have to say that I really like this little camera! the J8 is stunning and that Sonnar look is just beautyfull (they don't do that on stage anymore). The viewfinder could be larger (sic!) and i think I'll rubberise the winding thingy.
Ruben, how do you untension the shutter - I was scared to do anything to not deadjust the times (which seem quite alright)
cheerio, Michael
I have to say that I really like this little camera! the J8 is stunning and that Sonnar look is just beautyfull (they don't do that on stage anymore
). The viewfinder could be larger (sic!) and i think I'll rubberise the winding thingy. Ruben, how do you untension the shutter - I was scared to do anything to not deadjust the times (which seem quite alright)
cheerio, Michael
Xmas
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Roger
If 1/10 is not noisy the pretension is probably ok, but the release should be smoooooooth, try thin lube into release surround with button surround cover plate off and firing lots ot times and another drip of light lube etc. it may clear without further stripping/removing the shutter module. try not to use too much lube...
Noel
If 1/10 is not noisy the pretension is probably ok, but the release should be smoooooooth, try thin lube into release surround with button surround cover plate off and firing lots ot times and another drip of light lube etc. it may clear without further stripping/removing the shutter module. try not to use too much lube...
Noel
PetarDima
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Hello
I'm still impressed with KIEV 4 shutter:
soft realise, with interesting sound at 1/10 sec. TZZZZZZZZZ
- something like this - I was suprised when I saw that it's all from metal.
Also I've had best hand held results at 1/10 sec. - with this camera.
Don't worry about your english - if people can understand mine,
your word will be fine
I'm still impressed with KIEV 4 shutter:
soft realise, with interesting sound at 1/10 sec. TZZZZZZZZZ
- something like this - I was suprised when I saw that it's all from metal.
Also I've had best hand held results at 1/10 sec. - with this camera.
Don't worry about your english - if people can understand mine,
your word will be fine