I have a couple of fedka's Kievs--4am and 4m. Not very pretty but they work fine. I also have a couple of DVDTechnik's 4a cameras. I must say, I like the 4a better than the 4m/am. A bit less up-to-date, I admit, but they seem a little more refined and better put together. One of the 4a cameras is a black painted model, now with a good bit of the black worn away from use.