Kiev 60 Issue

[kiev60holic]

Hey Guys!

Recently I've purchased a Kiev 60, shot two rolls and got some strange stuff happening

now, from this roll, i got only one good picture shot 1/60 or 1/125 and the rest were shot at a faster shutter speed (and maybe 1/60 once again).

For the Kiev 60 geniuses out there, can someone tell me why is that happening and what the hell is that?

 

[xayraa33]

It looks like the shutter is capping at the higher speeds, frame spacing problems are also noticed too and that is very typical of the Kiev 60

 

[Eric T]

I once owned a Kiev 60. I had frame spacing problems and even sent it to the Ukraine for repairs and add mirror lock up. The frame spacing was never right even after repair.
But I never had a shutter problem.
I did like some of the lenses such as the Zeiss 180mm (sold that one) and I still have a Mir 65mm f/3.5 lens with the MFT adapter. That lens is incredibly sharp. Sometimes Soviet manufacturing would get it right.

 

[K14]

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[kiev60holic]

thanks for the reply!

Any idea how can I fix the shutter capping? dont think the kievholic website has that info.

 

[xayraa33]

thanks for the reply!

Any idea how can I fix the shutter capping? dont think the kievholic website has that info.

Check the higher shutter speeds from the back on the empty camera with the back door open and the lens off. Pointing the camera at some fluorescent tubes helps or a CRT screen from an old TV or monitor.

Kievaholic does have a section on shutter curtains speed adjustment at section 5

 

[kiev60holic]

Check the higher shutter speeds from the back on the empty camera with the back door open and the lens off. Pointing the camera at some fluorescent tubes helps or a CRT screen from an old TV or monitor.

Kievaholic does have a section on shutter curtains speed adjustment at section 5

Thank you!

 

[kiev60holic]

here is a successful one 🙂

 

[K14]

Good luck and hope you can get it calibrated. I've been lucky with my 60 and 88 Hasselbladski, they are great shooters.

I get some of the strangest looks with my 60 which makes it more pleasurable to shoot, in a weird way.

 

[kiev60holic]

So....an update, I ran a shutter speed test to see how much it is off, here are the results

looks like it is off by 1/3 stop, is that a drastic change that can cause this strange issue like I posted with the ilford at the top?

Thank again for the input!

 

[xayraa33]

So....an update, I ran a shutter speed test to see how much it is off, here are the results

looks like it is off by 1/3 stop, is that a drastic change that can cause this strange issue like I posted with the ilford at the top?

Thank again for the input!

Not really,
Something has blocked the exposure, it is usually shutter curtains not forming the proper width slit for the given higher speeds, one curtain is either running too fast or too slow or both could be off.

Does the mirror go fully up every time?

Technically it should, as it is what trips the shutter in most modern SLRS and the shutter did run in your case.

Check for loose baffles and light sealing foam (and yak hair) behind the mirror.

I would run another test roll (make sure it is factory fresh film with the original seal) all at the higher shutter speeds.

Something else with the Kiev 60 is to make sure that the lens is stopping down, as Kiev SLRs are notorious in having stuck aperture blades in their lenses because oil seeps on them and makes the blades stick.

Just an addendum: Looking at your film sample again, it does have the look of a re-spooled film roll that was first exposed through the camera with the lens off and at various shutter speeds. Could it be that the film roll was ran through the camera twice?

 

[kiev60holic]

Not really,
Something has blocked the exposure, it is usually shutter curtains not forming the proper width slit for the given higher speeds, one curtain is either running too fast or too slow or both could be off.

Does the mirror go fully up every time?

Technically it should, as it is what trips the shutter in most modern SLRS and the shutter did run in your case.

Check for loose baffles and light sealing foam (and yak hair) behind the mirror.

I would run another test roll ( make sure it is factory fresh film with the original seal) all at the higher shutter speeds.

Something else with the Kiev 60 is to make sure that the lens is stopping down, as Kiev SLRs are notorious in having stuck aperture blades in their lenses because oil seeps on them and makes the blades stick.

Just an addendum: Looking at your film sample again, it does have the look of a re-spooled film roll that was first exposed through the camera with the lens off and at various shutter speeds. Could it be that the film roll was ran through the camera twice?

Looks like the lens is stopping down, when I fire, it immediately closes to the aperture that is selected.

The roll was a fresh Ilford from the store, funny thing, the ektachrome was shot all 1/60 and although a lot of shots were super underexposed, doesnt seem like it had this strange issue.

The seal looks fine(?)

 

[xayraa33]

Looks like the lens is stopping down, when I fire, it immediately closes to the aperture that is selected.

The roll was a fresh Ilford from the store, funny thing, the ektachrome was shot all 1/60 and although a lot of shots were super underexposed, doesnt seem like it had this strange issue.

The seal looks fine(?)

Hmm, then it still points to the shutter capping at the higher shutter speeds.

1/60th of a sec. shutter speed is twice the shutter curtains horizontal running time from one end of the focal plane to the other so it is more forgiving.

It is the higher speeds that give the noticeable capping problems with that super narrow slit width and the accuracy needed for even slit width constancy when crossing the length of the focal plane for the given shutter speed, the faster shutter speeds = narrower slit width formed by the two shutter curtains.

 

[kiev60holic]

Hmm, then it still points to the shutter capping at the higher shutter speeds.

1/60th of a sec. shutter speed is twice the shutter curtains horizontal running time from one end of the focal plane to the other so it is more forgiving.

It is the higher speeds that give the noticeable capping problems with that super narrow slit width and the accuracy needed for even slit width constancy when crossing the length of the focal plane for the given shutter speed, the faster shutter speeds = narrower slit width formed by the two shutter curtains.

So, If I adjust one of the curtains speed it will fix it? will it affect 1/60 and slower?

 

[xayraa33]

So, If I adjust one of the curtains speed it will fix it? will it affect 1/60 and slower?

It is not as simple as that, first you have positive proof that the shutter is capping at the higher speeds.

Once that is determined then you can adjust the shutter curtain spring tension rollers to spec and usually the highest shutter speed, ie the narrowest slit width like the 1/1000 has some fine adjustment in most cameras (but not all cameras) with horizontal running shutter curtains. And then all the other slower speeds that depend on varying slit width and that do not use the slow speed escapement mechanism will automatically fall in line to their specifications.

A proper cleaning and lubrication to the right friction points should be done before any adjustment are made to the shutter curtain tension rollers.

An accurate shutter speed tester is an invaluable tool to make sure you are adjusting the shutter speeds to the proper factory tolerance specs.