Kodak to end production of B&W paper

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FROM http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1400524,00050001.htm

Ending a century-old tradition, Eastman Kodak Co Will soon stop making black-and-white photographic paper, a niche product for fine-art photographers and hobbyists that is rapidly being supplanted by digital-imaging systems.
Kodak said yesterday it will discontinue production of the paper, specially designed for black-and-white film, at the end of this year. But the world's biggest film manufacturer will continue to make black-and-white film and chemicals for processing.

"It's a shame to see it go," said Bill Schiffner, editor of Imaging Business magazine in Melville, New York. "Digital has done a lot of good things for the industry but it's done some bad things too. It's making a lot of these processes obsolete."

The paper is manufactured at a plant in Brazil. Kodak declined to specify how many employees would be affected by the production shutdown, which is part of a three-year overhaul to eliminate 12,000 to 15,000 jobs by 2007 and shrink the company's work force to around 50,000.

As the industry shifts rapidly from chemical-based to digital imaging, demand for black-and-white paper is declining about 25 per cent annually, Kodak spokesman David Lanzillo said.

John Eoff, owner of Photo-Lab Inc., said his 91-year-old shop in Schenectady, New York, still sells "a fair amount" of black-and-white paper to photography students and enthusiasts, while professional photographers have mostly gone to digital printing systems already
 
I'm not sure this is a bad thing. This leaves the market to the smaller firms that can better adjust to the needs and demands of art, hobbyist and student photographers. Hopefully this will allow Ilford and the rest a bit more breathing room.

William
 
Given that Ilford has recently been reported in a bit of difficulty, my first thought was that some of the small eastern European countries' photo companies might find themselves in an enviable position.
 
I suddenly remembered there was a HUUUUUGE long thread on this forum about the end of digital... How most people argued the different ways digital can die... Well...


Flowen
 
I can't help wondering why this story was broken by the Hindustan Times, which is a looooong way from either Rochester or Brazil...
 
"smaller firms that can better adjust to the needs and demands of art, hobbyist, and student photographers..."

I'm just afraid that it will become prohibitively expensive to shoot and print black and white yourself!
 
Why am I not surprised, Kodak has been itching to hit the exit from film world for years. Considering there are no margins on digital cameras either for the manufacturers or the retailers, why has this gone on for so long. Film photography will never die. I still remember when "the experts"said vinyl will die and be replaced with CD. LP turntables are still available and are in fact undergoing a reniasence at the moment.

Bill
 
That is truly depressing if vinyl is the correct analogy. Film junkies will be the green magic marker crowd in the future?
 
Kodak's management has a plan to exit product segments of its business that don't sustain internal targeted returns. Sad or not, these kinds of decisions are made every day by businesses run by people educated and trained to do so.

We're not the managers. We're the consumers. If we want this segment of Kodak's business to continue, then we should have been consuming a lot of Kodak B&W paper. Even on this forum there are relatively few people who do a lot of traditional printing. So, Kodak's decision is not surprising and hopefully doesn't cause too much concern.

If there is a sustainable market for B&W paper (that is, one where organizations can generate a desirable level of income), it will continue to be made. You may have to look harder or pay more for it, but that's a function of the marketplace, too.

I agree - this could be good news for Ilford and other "niche" producers. But only if there are sufficient consumers who want the product. My view is that this segment of the market hasn't hit its equilibrium point yet. My reasoning is that there aren't many viable outlets for traditional B&W prints (such as galleries) and relatively few of us who do this type of printing for non-commerical purposes on a regular basis. Are you and your friends regularly buying fine B&W prints? Too many of us have gone digital on the processing side (I'm looking at my old Nikon film scanner right now as I type).

At any rate, I'm going to start processing my own B&W film soon, and of course shoot more of the stuff. Don't want to see the trend continue on the emulsion side of the house ...
 
Mike, I'm in total agreement. The numbers are declining and I've been able to buy discounted short dated Kodak paper from a local retailer for a couple of years. Kodak B/W paper just doesn't move fast enough at this one location.

Locally, I know a good number of amateur photogs. Myself and one other still make traditional wet prints. The rest either shoot color or in the words of more than a couple promise that they will set up their darkroom someday.

Non C41 B/W film development: Here too, I see a good number of amateur photogs who say they want to or intend to start developing their own B/W film.
 
on a tangent, are there 'indie' b&w papers? I was intrigued by Bluefire Police's claim to be the first indie film (and I assume developer, too). Would this be a future possibility for the analog set? I would think that making paper (or having it produced) would be easier than film.
 
Well, depends on your definition of 'indie' - if you mean non-major-league (ie. Agfa, Fuji, Ilford, Kodak), there are Efke, Foma, Forte and Kentmere who make papers.

Roman
 
wow -- so there's a few. After a cursory look, I already want to read more about Kentmere's Kenthene.

I should note that, as I really know nothing about major photographic coroportations, I have nothing against them. I do, however, believe in throwing my business to companies I "believe" in or "feel," and it seems like Ilford is doing OK in taking care of its b&w clients. I also think supporting smaller companies is good for an overall industry, and that you can often learn a lot from them. (maybe it's harder to compare that last one with photography, but I'm thinking of music, publishing, and skateboard companies I've known, as a consumer, store buyer and bit player.)

thanks for pointing toward those papers, Roman.
 
It is depressing, but things do change. I remember when Agfa stopped making super 8 stock, then 16mm and then 35mm. (Talking from a directors point of view) It was depresssing as hell. I am clinging on to my M6 for dear life and cannot bare the thought that film may die. But I now have an Epson RD1 and I do all my prints from a computer. So, I guess it's all change!
 
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