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Sorry about the slow response. Something I find particularly interesting about him is that he has a singluar underlying driving force to his work: human desire. He calls cities "stadiums of desire" and says that's what his work is about. We all have subjects, of course, but I like that his is so fundamental and universal to human beings. It's a very Buddhist notion, where desire is the root of everything.

The thing is that Buddhism asserts two dimensions of desire - "unwholesome," which leads to attachment and suffering, and "wholesome," which fosters spiritual growth. I think I'm not much a fan of his work because it seems to me concerned more with the former. Like a lot of Japanese photography, I find it a bit nihilistic. Nonetheless, I really admire that he has this broad underlying concept to drive his work. It's something I think we all should ponder in our own artistic aspirations.
Great discussion by you and Dogman. I think it is in one of those recent B&W magazines that there is a review of one of Moriyama’s latest books, embedded in an interview. The interviewee maintained that there is a whole different aesthetic of Japanese photography, graphic and calligraphic. On Instagram you can see a Japanese artist place a huge graphic form within the confines of a rectangle.

I am steeped in Japanese history for several days reading Shinobu Hashimoto’s book on screen writing, Compound Cinematics. It is riveting, the training at his master’s feet, to explosions by Kurosawa, to the perfection of Spielberg’s “Jaws”.

One of the delights is the image only implied of the railway connections in Japan. A tease: do Samurai in early Tokugawa period eat lunch? It is unique as an idea for a book, almost a thriller. I ended up watching Ozu’s “Tokyo Story”.

My son knows a lot of Japanese history. He told me how to approach it. My world has got a little larger, again.

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In the early 70s, when I was doing newspaper photography there was a call one day from the Associated Press. They wanted someone to be available on a certain date to help a Japanese photographer transmit photos for a Japanese newspaper. The photographer and his interpreter (who actually didn't understand Japanese very well it turned out) arrived later than expected on that evening--near midnight IIRC. The film had to be processed and printed to AP wire photo format so it was very late before I even started the transmission process. I wasn't really impressed with the photos I saw. The story was, I thought, about a nearby college's band. What I saw were stark B&W photos of everything but a band performance.

That was my first exposure to Japanese photography. I've later come to appreciate a lot of things I never did before. I may not understand a lot of it but I can appreciate the aesthetics now and some of the reasoning and motivations behind those aesthetics. We westerners appear to have adopted a good bit of this. I like looking at photos that are challenging. I may not "get it"...I usually don't. But it's fun to see the world through different eyes.





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Sorry about the slow response. Something I find particularly interesting about him is that he has a singluar underlying driving force to his work: human desire. He calls cities "stadiums of desire" and says that's what his work is about. We all have subjects, of course, but I like that his is so fundamental and universal to human beings. It's a very Buddhist notion, where desire is the root of everything.

The thing is that Buddhism asserts two dimensions of desire - "unwholesome," which leads to attachment and suffering, and "wholesome," which fosters spiritual growth. I think I'm not much a fan of his work because it seems to me concerned more with the former. Like a lot of Japanese photography, I find it a bit nihilistic. Nonetheless, I really admire that he has this broad underlying concept to drive his work. It's something I think we all should ponder in our own artistic aspirations.
The Buddhist framework of desires really fits into Moriyama's work, thanks for that observation. I agree that the dark side of desire is his typical theme. As a thought exercise, what do you think the wholesome side of desire would look like as a photographic style? My first thought is that it would be much less concrete, more cerebral and symbolic.
 
The interviewee maintained that there is a whole different aesthetic of Japanese photography, graphic and calligraphic.
Are graphic and calligraphic presented as different styles, or two aspects of the same overall style?

I really like the concept of calligraphic as applied to photography. It seems like it would release one from the adherence to traditional composition, and to accurate representation, both, while encouraging a graceful asymmetry.
 
...As a thought exercise, what do you think the wholesome side of desire would look like as a photographic style? My first thought is that it would be much less concrete, more cerebral and symbolic.
I sure wish I could answer that. I've given my life to Indian mysticism of the Sant tradition and have tried and failed to find a satisfactory way to express those ideals through photography. Maybe it's because photography is so bound to physical reality, and spirituality, at least as I see it, begins where physical reality ends. Painting, poetry, and music are far more capable of that experience, IMO. Still, the reality found within is something entirely different.

There are photographers like Thomas Merton and Minor White who have sought to express the transcendent through their work. And there are many Taoist and Zen approaches, such as Miksang.

I think what I've finally come round to is what Miksang says. It's not the photographs that matter; it's the mindset, the practice of awareness, that makes photography a spiritual discipline. That's about as close as I'm able to get. Probably not a good answer because Moriyama surely has that, too.
 
I sure wish I could answer that. I've given my life to Indian mysticism of the Sant tradition and have tried and failed to find a satisfactory way to express those ideals through photography. Maybe it's because photography is so bound to physical reality, and spirituality, at least as I see it, begins where physical reality ends. Painting, poetry, and music are far more capable of that experience, IMO. Still, the reality found within is something entirely different.

There are photographers like Thomas Merton and Minor White who have sought to express the transcendent through their work. And there are many Taoist and Zen approaches, such as Miksang.

I think what I've finally come round to is what Miksang says. It's not the photographs that matter; it's the mindset, the practice of awareness, that makes photography a spiritual discipline. That's about as close as I'm able to get. Probably not a good answer because Moriyama surely has that, too.
I do admire you for developing the discipline to follow a life philosophy consistently. Mysticism and mystic traditions throw another difficult-to-pin-down variable into what is already a difficult target (art). I suspect it's something of a Norman Vincent Peale "even if you miss you'll land among the stars" sort of process. We create work that is infused with the struggle to express something. What people see in that (and what we may eventually come to see in that) may be something different than we came into it with, but it will be something.

I've long enjoyed Miksang and tried to emulate it. It is, as you say, something the photographer practices, and not necessarily something inherent in the work - since we take photos of physical things, there is always a way to look at Miksang photographs as representations of the physical - it almost takes the same practice looking at the photos as it does making them. I think that when I look at Moriyama's work, sometimes I'm struck by the power of the composition or content, but, many times, I'm trying to imagine what his mindset was and how to view the image the same way as he does.

Different traditions have used art to express spiritual concepts in different ways, of course. In the west, some of the most beautiful art is certainly Catholic in origin, showing spirituality by means of scenes from biblical stories, or imaginings of spiritual concepts like heaven or hell - leading perhaps to our overly concretized traditions in the west such as hell being a realm presided over by demons and filled with suffering bodies, rather than a spiritual state. But, I think, viewed in their proper framework, they can be very powerful. I like how the Orthodox church has defined the characteristics of their iconography, which I think is actually not more cerebral than Catholic tradition, but seems that way, because it's consistent, and because the viewer is told how to view it (for example, the lack of perspective symbolizing the absence of time in heaven, figures are larger relative to how important they are, the light is flat, with the only added light coming from the halos around saints and others, symbolizing faith and love inside them, etc.). I think in many traditions, and many mediums, art is locked in the physical while trying to express something immaterial.
 
To symbolise emotion, we must first have the emotion! Then if we are skilled &/or lucky enough, some of that emotion may be embedded in the photograph. And if the quality of that emotion is wholesome, then that should be embedded too. The aim is not a style statement, the expression of which originates from somewhere vaguely above shoulder level - but rather something utterly honest (as well as perceptive) that originates from somewhere far more fundamental in the human organism.

I wrote that quickly and may revise or add to it, but I hope that it may strike an accord somewhere ...

There is also the 'chicken and egg' argument - to see, you have to be able to see ...
 
To symbolise emotion, we must first have the emotion! Then if we are skilled &/or lucky enough, some of that emotion may be embedded in the photograph. And if the quality of that emotion is wholesome, then that should be embedded too. The aim is not a style statement, the expression of which originates from somewhere vaguely above shoulder level - but rather something utterly honest (as well as perceptive) that originates from somewhere far more fundamental in the human organism.

I wrote that quickly and may revise or add to it, but I hope that it may strike an accord somewhere ...

There is also the 'chicken and egg' argument - to see, you have to be able to see ...
Don McCullin has it, that emotion in some of his landscapes. His interview with Michael Parkinson is one of the most extraordinary bits of television I have seen. You find it in Atget even. There is a photograph of a pond in Parc St Cloud with dark water, the statues receding below the horizon, that mostly unseen avenue flanked by dark leaves of trees. Two figures guard the lake, frozen in their delicate attitudes. It is both glorious and tragic, simple and mysterious. Minor White was referred to above. His crystalline photographs, tone and content, speak of fragility and toughness, endurance and impermanence. Of moments that are made intense and gone forever.
 
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Are graphic and calligraphic presented as different styles, or two aspects of the same overall style?

I really like the concept of calligraphic as applied to photography. It seems like it would release one from the adherence to traditional composition, and to accurate representation, both, while encouraging a graceful asymmetry.
@agentlossing. I’m afraid calligraphic was my own inclusion. I was thinking of a high contrast image of Moriyama of marching girls their white legs almost only implied, looking like brush strokes, the whole frame tilted. The interview was in the 306 Issue of Black+White Photography, Mark Holborn who edited the recently published Moriyama quartet of books spanning decades. He notes William Klein as an influence, but overall describes Japanese photography following the tradition of drawing and woodblock prints, very graphic. He sees the European lineage of American photography, the latter so much about America, but Japanese photography he describes as from another planet. He has known Moriyama for forty years. It’s a very sympathetic account he gives of Moriyama and his work.

 
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@agentlossing. I’m afraid calligraphic was my own inclusion. I was thinking of a high contrast image of Moriyama of marching girls their white legs almost only implied, looking like brush strokes, the whole frame tilted. The interview was in the 306 Issue of Black+White Photography, Mark Holborn who edited the recently published Moriyama quartet of books spanning decades. He notes William Klein as an influence, but overall describes Japanese photography following the tradition of drawing and woodblock prints, very graphic. He sees the European lineage of American photography, the latter so much about America, but Japanese photography he describes as from another planet. He has known Moriyama for forty years. It’s a very sympathetic account he gives of Moriyama and his work.

Don't apologize for the analogy with calligraphy, anyway, as it's a good one!
 
I do not have Kodacrhrome, which was reissued, and in some ways I have enjoyed more Luigi Ghirri's essays. But certainly there is a lot to think about in many of his photographs but more to enjoy in this recent book. The text material includes an unpublished essay from 1991 in which he affirms his like of narrative photography, quiet photographs, of less consequence, interspersed with more intense statement-like photographs. He goes so far as to say that he hates books of photographs which contain only a photographer's best photographs. I see Leon C above was given Ernst Haas's New York Colour. That is so dense with fantastic photographs. I don't mind that at all. But it would be good to see some time a Haas family album, or some other collection of ephemera of his, like Michael Kenna publishing his Holga photographs...

Ghirri was invited to come to Puglia and take photographs and exhibit them. That long ago exhibition's sequence of images is at the back of the book. It was an important historical moment in the cultural life of Puglia. In subsequent years Ghirri continued to visit Puglia and take photographs and kept up with his contacts there. One accompanying essay is by his daughter. It is a great introduction to Ghirri in some ways as it is not so cerebral.

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I see Leon C above was given Ernst Haas's New York Colour. That is so dense with fantastic photographs. I don't mind that at all. But it would be good to see some time a Haas family album, or some other collection of ephemera of his, like Michael Kenna publishing his Holga photographs...

I know what you mean Richard, it is overpowering sometimes and can't look at it in one sitting, the same with my Robert Capa book, it's all war photos and it's in German so can't even read it but every page turn is an emotional rollercoaster, that's why I like David Bailey not for his usual fashion stuff but his family pics are outstanding and a nice breath of fresh air.

I'm waiting for the book of bad pics from someone, which will make me feel more at home....
 
hi all, another book buying spree; have on order E. Chambre Hardman 1898-1988: Photographs 1921-1972 1st edition 1994. Well known local photographer in Britain, had his photography business in Bold street, and latterly in Rodney streel area of Liverpool in a Georgian house which was his studio, which is now looked after by The National Trust . if any one is interested the website . www.nationaltrust.org.uk/hardmans-house. may be of interest as not many photographers homes also have the contents of the house and studio preserved
 
hi all, another book buying spree; have on order E. Chambre Hardman 1898-1988: Photographs 1921-1972 1st edition 1994. Well known local photographer in Britain, had his photography business in Bold street, and latterly in Rodney streel area of Liverpool in a Georgian house which was his studio, which is now looked after by The National Trust . if any one is interested the website . www.nationaltrust.org.uk/hardmans-house. may be of interest as not many photographers homes also have the contents of the house and studio preserved
Thank you. I was not aware of Hardman. Fantastic darkroom - very 1940s.
 
Yes Mr Hardman kept the photography business going till the early 1970's . most of his work was in black and white, he employed local artists to colour the prints and kept sample's of the sitters hair to get the colour correct. don't think his studio and dark room changed much since the early twenty's.
 
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