Lawyer: Russian immigrant didn't mean to photograph Picatinny

xayraa33 said:
hmmm... this guy is looking more suspicious.
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Agreed, but I'd like to know more about what they mean by 'fled'. Usually when that happens, the car gets towed, the arrest is a 'felony stop' meaning everybody out and down on the ground face down, lights and sirens, etc. Usually makes bigger news than this. I'm not saying it did not happen, but I do want to know more. If the guy did 'flee' then yes, that's something entirely different and a very good reason to arrest him - it is illegal to run from the police! But I also note he does not seem to have been charged with eluding...
 
Creagerj said:
Ya lets drop the gun thing. Its a whole other can of worms, plus it is unrelated.
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Wasn't trying to bring it up. More like pointing out that after the whole Ft. Dix thing happened sheeple down here in the south of the state were pretty freaked. This was mostly thanks to the Philly media though.
 
Socke said:
Ok, in case you haven't realised by now, this is a photography related forum.
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Thank you, yes I've realized that.

Socke said:
Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. President Thomas Jefferson 1743—1826 ...
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I agree wholeheartedly, I just don't think that's what happened in this case.

Pitxu said:
I can't see why you would feel so strongly about this "affair" that you have to keep repeating yourself.
Your friend told you yesterday, you read about it on the web, then you felt you had to come here and tell us your opinion.
What are you trying to achieve?
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I live near Picatinny and I've interacted with the guards and police on many occasions. The guards especially are very professional and I didn't think it was fair that they were being accused (on this thread) of being heavyhanded or racist in this case, when what they did seemed very reasonable to me after the articles I read. There are problems with New Jersey police for sure but the implication that they are somehow tied to this overarcing "fear of terrorism" thing or that people around here have some sort of excessive paranoia are just silly, and I don't think it's appropriate for people who don't live around here to make accusations like that. This area of New Jersey (I can't speak for others) is generally very racially tolerant, and fairly reasonable when it comes to personal freedoms (except in traffic cases, but that is only my opinion, and I'm sure there's at least precedent for it in terms of traffic-related incident statistics) in comparison to many places I've been. I felt I needed to defend against this idea that the police, and especially the Picatinny guards, were being heavyhanded and unreasonable; this is doing an injustice to a set of excellent, professional people who I feel took appropriate action given the information we have available.
 
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cosmonot said:
Well just remember that we're talking about happenings within the great state of NJ, where it's still illegal to pump gas into your own car. That's a freedom we've already given up.
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Yeah but I still pump my own gas sometimes, especially when the stations are very busy. Nobody really cares. Try going to Singapore and see how you feel about New Jersey after that. New Jersey is a pretty reasonable place in general, despite a few laws that are generally geared more towards eastern Jersey where all the gross cities are.
 
JRobbins said:
Yeah but I still pump my own gas sometimes, especially when the stations are very busy. Nobody really cares. Try going to Singapore and see how you feel about New Jersey after that. New Jersey is a pretty reasonable place in general, despite a few laws that are generally geared more towards eastern Jersey where all the gross cities are.
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Having grown up in New Jersey, I liked having the cheapest gas in the USA AND having someone else pump my gas for me. Here in NYC, I pay 30 cents more a gallon, and have the "freedom" to pump gas in 5 degree weather...
 
Russian jews are smartest people on earth :D on the other hand Russian government is same tiran as it was at soviet times :)
 
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This whole thread is very confusing from what I can gather from all these brilliant posts is that the real problem was that this guy was black and dressed as a Hasidic jew and that there was a package of diapers in his car,maybe it was Gene Wilder in disguise.
Whatever the problem was one thing stands out the guy was a complete jackass there are a lot of other trees in New Jersey to take pictures of.I guess Russian jews are not the smartest people in the world.
 
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What sensible, honest guy in his right mind would want to take photos of trees, (?), on a Military Base.

Maybe he is a "bird watcher" as well?????????? - with a 500mm lens
 
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