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rpsawin
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Rax is an amazing photographer. I looked at his website and have a greater appreciation of the photos on the Leica site. This guy can break any/all rules he likes.
Bob
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Leica breaks the rules?
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iml
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colinh said:
You're far too kind 🙂
I used to worry about keeping the horizon level, but then I got lazy in my old age 🙂
Ian
colinh
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Gipsy said:
There's the edge of the cliff, which isn't straight at all !!!
But now that it's been mentioned, the boundary of light grey to slightly darker is not horizontal. Why isn't it the horizon? Looks like the boundary between the rough see and the sky to me.
But the central part of the photo is blown out. And the make up artist should have done something about the model's hair! Sloppy execution, if ever I saw it!
colin
colinh
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iml said:
Not at all. Good grief, this one is also great!
Are all of your horizons wonky? 🙂
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Nikon Bob
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If I remember rightly, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, that the basic rules of composition for Dummies goes back to at least ancient Greece. It's principles are well founded but should never stand in the way of art ( rules were made to be broken). In the first phto I do find the tilt and the position of the chimney distracting. In the second photo the tilt less so as the background is much more blurred.
Bob
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fishric
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iml
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Only when I'm drunk 🙂colinh said:
Richard, the GR-D 21/28 VF is very nice indeed, but a bit expensive.
Ian
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Krosya said:
If these pics bother you, Leica's selection of Barnack Award winners each year will send you flying!
tomasis
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I never thought that some complains about such nice images. Krosya needs to get better attitude, at least more mindopening. As Didier said, that reminds me of this link provided by him. Rules are to break.
Pablito
coco frío
tomasis said:
Si Señor!
De rulz are make to bee brokin!
Krosya
Konicaze
another WOW
another WOW
I think you should read the actual post more carefully. My problem was not with the refference to other link, but how it was delivered. And I didn't complain, as you say - I just asked people's opinions on them. Opinions on how photos should be taken can vary, but personal attacks I will not stand for!
I don't understand - instead if reading carefully original post and answer original question, some people feel that a personal attack is in order. And I need to get a better attitude after that? WoW.
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tomasis said:
I think you should read the actual post more carefully. My problem was not with the refference to other link, but how it was delivered. And I didn't complain, as you say - I just asked people's opinions on them. Opinions on how photos should be taken can vary, but personal attacks I will not stand for!
I don't understand - instead if reading carefully original post and answer original question, some people feel that a personal attack is in order. And I need to get a better attitude after that? WoW.
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RML
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tomasis said:
I feel a victim coming up for my ignore list, and it's not tomasis or didier.
Pherdinand
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Krosya said:
Krosya - with all the respect, the ssecond example you post is a perfectly finew photo of an older guy who stands VERTICALLY in the frame.
The horizon is so blurred it hardly can be said if it is tilted ort not, and it adds only perspective.
This is not a sunset shot.
All the respect, again - i hope you were kidding, and if not, then you must be a lawyer. A good one. That takes the law as it is written. But i suggest in that case you stay with landscape for photography.
The Elmar shot - i have nothing to say there. Although again, the chimney is just barely visible, the shot is boring and looks digitally oversharpened; and the tones simply suck.
Just my two cents worth oppinion, of course.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
After posting i checked your flickr folders. I see you have a sunset shot there.
I was NOT referring to that when i said above, that "it is not a sunset shot".
Just to clarify.
You do have a few shots i like there, rules followed or broken, by the way.
I was NOT referring to that when i said above, that "it is not a sunset shot".
Just to clarify.
You do have a few shots i like there, rules followed or broken, by the way.
Didier
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iml said:
I would even say the tilt adds to this image, giving it some dynamics.
There are many situations where I want absolutely balanced horizontals and verticals, mostly in architectural environments, but as soon as there are people on it, the horizontal alignment rule gets obsolete. If there's a rule with tilting I'd say "when tilt, then tilt really" and not only one or two degrees. But even this may not work out always.
I find the pictures at the leica site OK. I wouldn't count all of them in "my best 20 pix ever" but that's more a question of my taste and less of interpretation of whatever rules one may imply.
Didier
Didier
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Krosya said:
Not an attack, just a little joke amongst friends of texmex food! :angel:
Krosya
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After reading people's opinions about those shots and photography rules in general - this is what I have to say:
While everyone has their own view on whats art and what is considered good framing - many still assume that if photo was taken by some big name photogrpaher who is published - it's a good photo. Not always so. That web site that Didier linked - with funny comments on famous photos shows some photos I personally don't like and had they been taken by me and not those famous people, I'm sure those would be the comments I'd get. I prefer to form my opwn opinion on things, not just follow the crowd. Many very untalented people sometimes get published and become famous - not because they are good, but because they can either sell themselves well, or have some useful connections and friends. Bob Shell, actually (Didier this one is for you) is one of them - average photographer who was able sell himself well at one point.
I even wonder if most of those famous photographers thought twice about their framing - just grabbed a shot and went with it, and now we discuss that - "oh yes, that was what he or she intended to do" - maybe yes, maybe no - we don't really know, do we?
Composition Rules, as someone said before, however, have been around for much longer that photography itself. So, to follow them - is a pretty good policy. It's good to break them too sometimes. I try to follow rules, but I often forget it. But, keep in mind - I don't claim to be a great photographer.
So, as far as those photos from Leica site - Summilux photo is very nice and I do like it, yet one from Elmar - it's poorly framed, boring, dull photo, no matter who took it. Thats my opinion.
And thats what I asked initially - for opinion on THOSE photos. Not on my photos, not opinion on what I think - some people remembered that in their answer, other - not so much.
Sidebar:
Didier - I too like to have fun, and if something got lost in translation - my appologies, yet I'm usually pretty clear and was under impression that english skills are pretty good, no worse than those of our texmex eating south boys. 😉
RML - BFD.
While everyone has their own view on whats art and what is considered good framing - many still assume that if photo was taken by some big name photogrpaher who is published - it's a good photo. Not always so. That web site that Didier linked - with funny comments on famous photos shows some photos I personally don't like and had they been taken by me and not those famous people, I'm sure those would be the comments I'd get. I prefer to form my opwn opinion on things, not just follow the crowd. Many very untalented people sometimes get published and become famous - not because they are good, but because they can either sell themselves well, or have some useful connections and friends. Bob Shell, actually (Didier this one is for you) is one of them - average photographer who was able sell himself well at one point.
I even wonder if most of those famous photographers thought twice about their framing - just grabbed a shot and went with it, and now we discuss that - "oh yes, that was what he or she intended to do" - maybe yes, maybe no - we don't really know, do we?
Composition Rules, as someone said before, however, have been around for much longer that photography itself. So, to follow them - is a pretty good policy. It's good to break them too sometimes. I try to follow rules, but I often forget it. But, keep in mind - I don't claim to be a great photographer.
So, as far as those photos from Leica site - Summilux photo is very nice and I do like it, yet one from Elmar - it's poorly framed, boring, dull photo, no matter who took it. Thats my opinion.
And thats what I asked initially - for opinion on THOSE photos. Not on my photos, not opinion on what I think - some people remembered that in their answer, other - not so much.
Sidebar:
Didier - I too like to have fun, and if something got lost in translation - my appologies, yet I'm usually pretty clear and was under impression that english skills are pretty good, no worse than those of our texmex eating south boys. 😉
RML - BFD.
PetarDima
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iml said:You're far too kind 🙂
I used to worry about keeping the horizon level, but then I got lazy in my old age 🙂
Ian
Ian, Leica should take your photo 🙂
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Socke
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iml said:
Ian I really like your picture! The railing and the beach form a nice triangle and at least my eyes wander from the lower right to the left and back to the upper right.
IMHO a perfect example.
iml
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Thanks all 🙂
Ian
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