raid
Dad Photographer
REF:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic...ginnt/?utm_source=luf150901&utm_medium=E-Mail
For current information on the CCD sensors of cameras Leica M9 / M9 - P / M monochrome / ME
We are pleased to announce that the development of our new generation of CCD sensors and the connected field tests have now been successfully completed . Leica Camera AG can now begin with the camera models M9 , M9 - P and ME with the replacement of corroded sensors to sensors of the new generation therefore .
The sensors exchange for the model M Monochrome will also begin shortly. We will inform you as soon as possible about the exact timing .
In this context we would like to inform our customers once again that the exchange of CCD sensors can only be offered for this particular problem of affected cameras , a preventive replacement is not possible .
We thank you for your patience and trust in the brand Leica
Aktuelle Information zu den CCD-Sensoren der Kameramodelle Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom / M-E
Wir freuen uns, Ihnen mitteilen zu können, dass die Entwicklung unserer neuen CCD-Sensoren-Generation sowie die angeschlossenen Praxistests nun erfolgreich abgeschlossen werden konnten. Die Leica Camera AG kann daher nun bei den Kameramodellen M9, M9-P und M-E mit dem Austausch der korrodierten Sensoren gegen Sensoren der neuen Generation beginnen.
Der Sensoren-Austausch für das Modell M Monochrom wird ebenfalls in Kürze beginnen. Über den genauen Zeitpunkt werden wir Sie so schnell wie möglich informieren.
In diesem Zusammenhang möchten wir unsere Kunden noch einmal darauf hinweisen, dass der Tausch der CCD-Sensoren nur für von diesem konkreten Problem betroffene Kameras angeboten werden kann, ein präventiver Austausch ist nicht möglich.
Wir bedanken uns für Ihre Geduld und Ihr Vertrauen in die Marke Leica.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic...ginnt/?utm_source=luf150901&utm_medium=E-Mail
For current information on the CCD sensors of cameras Leica M9 / M9 - P / M monochrome / ME
We are pleased to announce that the development of our new generation of CCD sensors and the connected field tests have now been successfully completed . Leica Camera AG can now begin with the camera models M9 , M9 - P and ME with the replacement of corroded sensors to sensors of the new generation therefore .
The sensors exchange for the model M Monochrome will also begin shortly. We will inform you as soon as possible about the exact timing .
In this context we would like to inform our customers once again that the exchange of CCD sensors can only be offered for this particular problem of affected cameras , a preventive replacement is not possible .
We thank you for your patience and trust in the brand Leica
Aktuelle Information zu den CCD-Sensoren der Kameramodelle Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom / M-E
Wir freuen uns, Ihnen mitteilen zu können, dass die Entwicklung unserer neuen CCD-Sensoren-Generation sowie die angeschlossenen Praxistests nun erfolgreich abgeschlossen werden konnten. Die Leica Camera AG kann daher nun bei den Kameramodellen M9, M9-P und M-E mit dem Austausch der korrodierten Sensoren gegen Sensoren der neuen Generation beginnen.
Der Sensoren-Austausch für das Modell M Monochrom wird ebenfalls in Kürze beginnen. Über den genauen Zeitpunkt werden wir Sie so schnell wie möglich informieren.
In diesem Zusammenhang möchten wir unsere Kunden noch einmal darauf hinweisen, dass der Tausch der CCD-Sensoren nur für von diesem konkreten Problem betroffene Kameras angeboten werden kann, ein präventiver Austausch ist nicht möglich.
Wir bedanken uns für Ihre Geduld und Ihr Vertrauen in die Marke Leica.
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
Is there a list of affected cameras?
gdmcclintock
Well-known
A "preventative replacement is not possible"?
willie_901
Veteran
There has to be, but as far as we know it's proprietary.
willie_901
Veteran
Replacement for cover-glass corrosion is offered for the life of the camera.
Preventative replacement would be wasteful. This is not a safety-based recall. Sooner or later the original sensors will corrode. So when the consumer notices the defects, they automatically qualify. Many will never notice. Even particular photographers who never use narrow apertures may never see small levels of corrosion.
Preventative replacement would be wasteful. This is not a safety-based recall. Sooner or later the original sensors will corrode. So when the consumer notices the defects, they automatically qualify. Many will never notice. Even particular photographers who never use narrow apertures may never see small levels of corrosion.
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
Unless this refers to all cameras forever (even second and third owners), then some cameras will be hard, to impossible, to resell, and those with proof of new sensors, after today, will be easy to sell?
dave lackey
Veteran
Bingo, Fred! That is why I have lost any desire for an M9.
Didn't Nikon have recent recalls? How was that handled?
raid
Dad Photographer
These are good (new) questions for the Leica CEO. Stephen asked us to post some new questions for the next round of "CEO Chat".
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
It sounds a bit strange to me the argument that "There is no preventive replacement because many user might never notice the issue if they don't shot at certain apertures". If I had spent several grand on a camera I would like it to work at every setting and trust the output, not thinking that maybe I shall notice an issue once I shot a bit differently than usual. Also, I hope that it will be clear which sensor is in which camera. In this respect the stupid change of name done by Nikon is actually not so stupid. The D600 possibly has issue, the D610 is the "cured" version. A Typ 240.5 might help...
GLF
GLF
Duane Pandorf
Well-known
From what I understand the new sensor replacement includes third party owners.
In fact the best buy on a used M9 is to find one that has a corroded sensor that you could buy below current (like new) used prices and send it in for a new sensor. While there it gets a complete service.
hlockwood
Well-known
Huh? The statement by Leica clearly said all (M) CCD affected sensors would be replaced.
Did I miss something?
HFL
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
What is the source of the info in your original post? It seems incomplete.
hlockwood
Well-known
Willie_901: "Replacement for cover-glass corrosion is offered for the life of the camera." Italics added.
That is my understanding from the original announcement.
hlockwood
Well-known
Read the opening statement by Leica, above: M9, M9-P, M-E and the MM (somewhat delayed) i.e., all M CCD models.
What model is missing from that list?
HFL
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
I guess I don't understand the issues. So they are replacing the sensor cover glass -- not the sensor itself?
I had assumed it was problem with the CCD sensors, not the cover glass.
Count me as totally confused.
hlockwood
Well-known
I guess I don't understand the issues. So they are replacing the sensor cover glass not the sensor itself?
I had assumed it was problem with the CCD sensors, not the cover glass.
Count me as totally confused.
Please read the opening statement carefully; your confusion should disappear.
HFL
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
OK, I was confusing the addition of the cover glass statement, it is not in the original post.
So the OP says nothing about the definition of "affected cameras," no serial numbers. I would of course assume they are ALL bad, but it I can't make any sense of the statement -- "preventive replacement."
A bad translation? Perhaps Leica means "early" replacement, since there is nothing prophylactic [preventive] that can be done to the sensor to keep it from going bad, other than perhaps not using the camera?
hlockwood
Well-known
Duane Pandorf
Well-known
As a Leica M-E owner I of course have been following the progress Leica has been making in formulating a new CCD sensor with updated cover glass. Here are links to past messages from Leica about this issue:
1. Important Information Concerning the CCD Sensors of the Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom / M-E
2. Latest information on the CCD sensors of the Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom and M-E camera models
3. Update CCD Sensorof the Leica M9/M9-P/M Monochrom and M-E camera models
4. Image example of problem: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-93303-14286933276366.jpg
5. Link to Stefan Daniel (Director Product Management) about how Leica will handle CCD issue: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244082-leica-upgrade-program-for-m9-corrosion-of-sensor/ Stefan Daniel states in the link above:
".....full goodwill arrangement offering free replacement of affected CCD sensors. This goodwill arrangement applies regardless of the age of the camera and also covers sensors that have already been replaced in the past. Customers who have already been charged for the replacement of a sensor affected by this problem will receive a refund."
1. Important Information Concerning the CCD Sensors of the Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom / M-E
2. Latest information on the CCD sensors of the Leica M9 / M9-P / M Monochrom and M-E camera models
3. Update CCD Sensorof the Leica M9/M9-P/M Monochrom and M-E camera models
4. Image example of problem: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-93303-14286933276366.jpg
5. Link to Stefan Daniel (Director Product Management) about how Leica will handle CCD issue: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244082-leica-upgrade-program-for-m9-corrosion-of-sensor/ Stefan Daniel states in the link above:
".....full goodwill arrangement offering free replacement of affected CCD sensors. This goodwill arrangement applies regardless of the age of the camera and also covers sensors that have already been replaced in the past. Customers who have already been charged for the replacement of a sensor affected by this problem will receive a refund."
hlockwood
Well-known
Thanks, Duane.
HFL
HFL