Luddite Frank
Well-known
A while back I posted about an issue I was having with my "new" Leica IIIg:
During my first test-roll, about 10 exposures in, when winding-on for the next frame, I felt something slipping / catching in the advance knob, and noticed that the rewind-knob was no longer advancing (film not being drawn from the cassette)
I played with the camera a bit, advancing and firing, and sometimes more film would pull from the cassette, and other times not.
The shutter would wind and fire each time though.
I got disgusted with it and put it aside for a long time. Months.
Last week, I got my Barnack bag out, and had another look.
No improvement on "wind & fire", so figuring the roll was a lost cause, I removed the lens, and looking through the mount, shutter set on "T", I tried a few "fire & winds", and the film seemed as though it would advance for a couple shots, then not.
Finally, I removed the bottom plate, and had a look inside.
I noticed that the exposed film was not coiling snugly around the take-up spool, and that as slack developed, was possibly pushing the film out of secure contact with the sprockets.
So, I pulled the take-up spool and film casette out, in mid-roll.
I unwound the film from the take-up spool, to be sure the leader was firmly caught under the spring tongue ( it was ), and then I un-hitched it.
The spool "looked kind of funny", high-gloss black paint (old), the spring tab is non-Leica, and there are no markings on the spool.
The spool from my IIIc/f BDST is more matte black, is stamped "Germany" on the outer flange, and has the pop-out knob. I'm pretty sure it is a Leitz spool.
I am wondering if the spool that came with my IIIg is non-Leica, possibly FSU(?), is a sloppy fit on the winding stem, and this may be causing the film not to spool snugly on the take-up spool ?
Did the IIIg use a new / different spool ? Will a spool from an older Barnack work ? Has anyone had this experience with a IIIg / other Barnack
Sorry this is all words and no pictures... will try to add some later...
If my wind-on problem can be cured by something as simple is getting a proper Leitz spool in there, I will be a happy man....
Thanks in advance...
Luddite Frank
During my first test-roll, about 10 exposures in, when winding-on for the next frame, I felt something slipping / catching in the advance knob, and noticed that the rewind-knob was no longer advancing (film not being drawn from the cassette)
I played with the camera a bit, advancing and firing, and sometimes more film would pull from the cassette, and other times not.
The shutter would wind and fire each time though.
I got disgusted with it and put it aside for a long time. Months.
Last week, I got my Barnack bag out, and had another look.
No improvement on "wind & fire", so figuring the roll was a lost cause, I removed the lens, and looking through the mount, shutter set on "T", I tried a few "fire & winds", and the film seemed as though it would advance for a couple shots, then not.
Finally, I removed the bottom plate, and had a look inside.
I noticed that the exposed film was not coiling snugly around the take-up spool, and that as slack developed, was possibly pushing the film out of secure contact with the sprockets.
So, I pulled the take-up spool and film casette out, in mid-roll.
I unwound the film from the take-up spool, to be sure the leader was firmly caught under the spring tongue ( it was ), and then I un-hitched it.
The spool "looked kind of funny", high-gloss black paint (old), the spring tab is non-Leica, and there are no markings on the spool.
The spool from my IIIc/f BDST is more matte black, is stamped "Germany" on the outer flange, and has the pop-out knob. I'm pretty sure it is a Leitz spool.
I am wondering if the spool that came with my IIIg is non-Leica, possibly FSU(?), is a sloppy fit on the winding stem, and this may be causing the film not to spool snugly on the take-up spool ?
Did the IIIg use a new / different spool ? Will a spool from an older Barnack work ? Has anyone had this experience with a IIIg / other Barnack
Sorry this is all words and no pictures...
will try to add some later...If my wind-on problem can be cured by something as simple is getting a proper Leitz spool in there, I will be a happy man....
Thanks in advance...
Luddite Frank
madNbad
Well-known
The IIIg uses the same spool as the M2/3.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
It sounds as though the clutch for the take up is slipping but I've not got a IIIg and so can't say how it should be tightened. Sorry that I can't say more.
Regards, David
It sounds as though the clutch for the take up is slipping but I've not got a IIIg and so can't say how it should be tightened. Sorry that I can't say more.
Regards, David
Dave Little
Member
The 111g has the same take up spool as an M2 / M3
I tried to fit a 111c spool in my 111g and it does not fit !
You need the correct spool
Leitz SPOOM (14022) take-up spool for Ig, IIIg, M1, M2, M3 & MD.
Dave
I tried to fit a 111c spool in my 111g and it does not fit !
You need the correct spool
Leitz SPOOM (14022) take-up spool for Ig, IIIg, M1, M2, M3 & MD.
Dave
Mr_Flibble
In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
If it fits too loosely over the winding stem, it WILL cause the sloppy take-up
That would be my second point of interest in the investigation.
But film is drawn from the cartridge by the sprocket wheels, not the spool. So there might be a little more at play here, concerning the film not advancing on winding.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
True. But then if the spool stops turning, or doesn't turn enough to keep the film wrapped around it, then I think the film would, after a few exposures, form a large coil that would eventually contact the inner wall of the body and jam. Then I could see the film losing contact with the sprocket and that's when the film would stop advancing.
Luddite Frank
Well-known
All -
Thanks for your replies !
According to comments here, and via Google, indeed Leica did change the take-up spool with the I-g / III-g cameras, the new spool being compatible with the M's, until they went with the "Quick-Load" spindle.
Still not sure of the origins of the spool that came with my III-g, but the fit is loose enough that if I rap the open camera body against the heel of my hand, the take-up spool drops-out into my hand.
I have ordered an "M" spool from e-bay, and will see how that works.
Rob F. described the behavior I was experiencing:
"True. But then if the spool stops turning, or doesn't turn enough to keep the film wrapped around it, then I think the film would, after a few exposures, form a large coil that would eventually contact the inner wall of the body and jam. Then I could see the film losing contact with the sprocket and that's when the film would stop advancing."
This was not evident to me until I removed the bottom plate from the still-loaded camera, and saw just what he described above.
Hopefully, having the proper take-up spool will resolve the issue, and I can finally shoot some film with this "new" toy...
Many thanks for the replies !
LF
Thanks for your replies !
According to comments here, and via Google, indeed Leica did change the take-up spool with the I-g / III-g cameras, the new spool being compatible with the M's, until they went with the "Quick-Load" spindle.
Still not sure of the origins of the spool that came with my III-g, but the fit is loose enough that if I rap the open camera body against the heel of my hand, the take-up spool drops-out into my hand.
I have ordered an "M" spool from e-bay, and will see how that works.
Rob F. described the behavior I was experiencing:
"True. But then if the spool stops turning, or doesn't turn enough to keep the film wrapped around it, then I think the film would, after a few exposures, form a large coil that would eventually contact the inner wall of the body and jam. Then I could see the film losing contact with the sprocket and that's when the film would stop advancing."
This was not evident to me until I removed the bottom plate from the still-loaded camera, and saw just what he described above.
Hopefully, having the proper take-up spool will resolve the issue, and I can finally shoot some film with this "new" toy...
Many thanks for the replies !
LF