Richard G
Veteran
http://www.overgaard.dk/leica-M10-d...Leica-M10-Monochrome-Digital-Rangefinder.html
Apparently the new M gives just ONE set of frame lines for the mounted lens. Now that is worth saving for an M in my view. Other interesting points in his review.
Apparently the new M gives just ONE set of frame lines for the mounted lens. Now that is worth saving for an M in my view. Other interesting points in his review.
Vickko
Veteran
Yeah, and the tripod screw is in the center of the bottom.
Well, that's poured a gallon of gasoline on my flames of GAS for this camera.
Oh, what to sell, what to sell.
Well, that's poured a gallon of gasoline on my flames of GAS for this camera.
Oh, what to sell, what to sell.
EdwardKaraa
Well-known
Not according to David Farkas report. He shows a photo of the VF and the frames are the same as an M9. The only difference is that there is no window to illuminate them, so the lighting comes from LED placed within the body. You can select either red or white color.
EdwardKaraa
Well-known
http://www.reddotforum.com/content.php/278-Photokina-2012-Day-1-The-Leica-M
"I also took a peak through the optical viewfinder to find that 1) it was still there and 2) the LED-illuminated frame lines look identical to those in the M9 Titanium. The frame lines are still in three sets: 28/90, 35/135 and 50/75. My guess is that the mechanical cam is still employed to move the traditional frame mask, but the illumination is now all internal. The frame lines change illumination based on ambient light and can be user set to either red or white. The red looks more high-tech, but the white is classic. "
"I also took a peak through the optical viewfinder to find that 1) it was still there and 2) the LED-illuminated frame lines look identical to those in the M9 Titanium. The frame lines are still in three sets: 28/90, 35/135 and 50/75. My guess is that the mechanical cam is still employed to move the traditional frame mask, but the illumination is now all internal. The frame lines change illumination based on ambient light and can be user set to either red or white. The red looks more high-tech, but the white is classic. "
Vickko
Veteran
ChrisC
Established
Edward - Unfortunately, for those of us who intensely dislike the intrusion of 'paired', insider framelines in our viewfinders; it seems that Thorsten is incorrect with his assertion of single-only framelines. A pity.
If both paired framelines are bright, it suggests to me that the intrusion of the 'insider' framelines are likely to be even worse than they traditionally are. Can anyone who handled the camera at Photokina give a definitive description?
Does anyone know if Leica will delete, say, the 90/135/70 framelines ----- and at what cost?
................ Chris
Richard G
Veteran
Thought it was too good to be true. I'll stick with my M9-P.
Vickko
Veteran
I wouldn't go so far as to say "intelligence". Just image processing, calculate the borders and project image of lines.
Imagine, it would automatically produce parallax correction.
This relegates the optical rangefinder to merely do triangulation, which is what it does best, for focal lengths 28mm to 135mm.
Oh, if they simplified the RF, I wonder why they didn't drop the price.
Imagine, it would automatically produce parallax correction.
This relegates the optical rangefinder to merely do triangulation, which is what it does best, for focal lengths 28mm to 135mm.
Oh, if they simplified the RF, I wonder why they didn't drop the price.
Artificial intelligence?
ChrisC
Established
Well, I'm even more confused now after straying into Mr. Rockwell's site :
I know, I know; I shouldn't have gone there......
............. Chris
EdwardKaraa
Well-known
Chris,
From Leica's own technical data sheet of the M9 Titanium:
http://en.leica-camera.com/service/downloads/rangefinder_cameras/m9_titan/index.html
Image field indication
By activating two bright-line frames each illuminated with LEDs: For 35 and
135 mm, or for 28 and 90 mm, or for 50 and 75 mm. Automatically switched
when lens is attached.
From Leica's own technical data sheet of the M9 Titanium:
http://en.leica-camera.com/service/downloads/rangefinder_cameras/m9_titan/index.html
Image field indication
By activating two bright-line frames each illuminated with LEDs: For 35 and
135 mm, or for 28 and 90 mm, or for 50 and 75 mm. Automatically switched
when lens is attached.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
Conclusion -at least on what you see in the viewfinder when changing lenses....?
georgl
Member
I was on PK and handled a prototype:
The illumination has changed but not the mechanism (except for sizing them again to 2m distance) itself, so it's still the normal frameline-pairs, period
But the rest of the camera is completely new, even things that appear similar to it's predecessors like the shutter dial are new (everything feels dampened because there is no direct mechanical connection to the internals anymore).
The illumination has changed but not the mechanism (except for sizing them again to 2m distance) itself, so it's still the normal frameline-pairs, period
But the rest of the camera is completely new, even things that appear similar to it's predecessors like the shutter dial are new (everything feels dampened because there is no direct mechanical connection to the internals anymore).
ChrisC
Established
Edward, Georgi, Peter - That's now clear. Many thanks.
.............. chris
.............. chris
Roger Hicks
Veteran
No, but would you argue with 'artificial'?
I want an M type 240, but to use alongside my M9, not instead of.
Cheers,
R.
Ben Z
Veteran
Don't you think it will be annoying using very similar cameras each with different frameline calibrations? I tried using my M8U w/2m framelines alongside a borrowed M8 w/original lines and having to switch mental gears from one to the other especially at close focus was an extra something to have to keep in mind while shooting as compared to if both had the same frameline calibration.
gavinlg
Veteran
Are there any sample images from this sensor floating around yet?
theno23
Established
Weirdly I don't ever seem to be confused by the additional framelines in the viewfinder, though I constant remember to change the manual lens coding when changing lenses...
I'm hoping that I'll be able to cope with the 1m v's 2m calibrated views, as I expecting to keep using my M9 as well as my M 240.
- Steve
I'm hoping that I'll be able to cope with the 1m v's 2m calibrated views, as I expecting to keep using my M9 as well as my M 240.
- Steve
Richard G
Veteran
M10 turned out to be the M and is quickly becoming instead the M 240. I like it.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Not as annoying as the different control layout: I switch happily enough between M9 and M8. Fortunately I'll be able to try it before I buy.
Cheers,
R.
tele_player
Member
All M lenses cover the entire sensor, there's no way to 'figure out the actual image' to determine focal length. Optical 6-bit code is here to stay, at least for M lenses as we know them.
-Robert
-Robert