Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
If this is Leica responding to user opinions how come they never hear us when we say the things should cost less? 
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
If this is Leica responding to user opinions how come they never hear us when we say the things should cost less?
Sorry Keith.. what did you say?
Dave
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
jschrader
Well-known
Why no buy a damaged M with a broken LCD?
Would be cheaper, but lacks the ISO setting.
Another dial missing; following the logic, it would be even more valuable.
But jokes aside, I would like the idea of a digital camera without LCD. But I wound not pay more for it.
Would be cheaper, but lacks the ISO setting.
Another dial missing; following the logic, it would be even more valuable.
But jokes aside, I would like the idea of a digital camera without LCD. But I wound not pay more for it.
newsgrunt
Well-known
just a question. how will you access menus/settings etc if there's no screen ? unless they do a Nikon Df with manual controls, then a menu driven camera needs some type of lcd no ?
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
That's the point...there are no menus. All settings will be via dials and buttons. Rumored to at least...
Kwesi
Well-known
Remember this is not for the faint of heart
If 1:This camera shoots Raw/DNG only
2: has a rapid blinking red dot in viewfinder ( M7) to let you know that you are clipping
3: only uses 6 bit coded lenses and
4: has an ISO wheel that incorporates a Kelvin wheel both with auto settings,
You don't need an LCD anywhere on the camera.
Sad that this has to be a limited edition camera
x-ray
Veteran
YES!!
Leave it to Leica to pursue the smart and innovative thing.
I hope they:
1. Leave a tiny LCD that shows histogram, battery, iso, exposure compensation, picture number, etc.
2. Give an option to send a preview image to the nearest bluetooth equipped smart phone. I don't *always* want a preview, but it makes sense to be able to do it *when* I do.
3. Trim the fat. I want this one to be as lean as my M4-P.
4. Longer battery life without the juice-sucking big-screen.
Now Ricoh or Fuji, it's your move.
Make this affordable
I suggested this several months at and got scoarched for it but I totally agree. On my Nikon Df I turned the LCD off and use the dials and prime lenses. Very nice! If you know what you're doing you don't need the LCD / histogram. We didn't have one when we shot film.
burancap
Veteran
A pure manual digital would be awfully cool, but as discussed elsewhere on RFf ... a simple ad hoc wireless connection with phone, tablet, etc. app for settings and review.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
This is me.
Also the rumor of a blue tooth Monochom is interesting. Lets say that Leica uses Bluetooth technology and intergrates their design to work with say Apple's super sized Iphone. The complaint about the low resolution screen on digital M's becomes moot. This also allows stripping out mucho knobs and controls which are kinda set and forget. For non 6-bit lenses you have to use your large screen Iphone for the lens setting. Basically the M-60 ideally only has three controls: shutter release; ISO and aperature on the lens.
This would be just like a film camera to me, except digital image capture, and I'm totally old school.
Recently at Fashion Week NYC I see how media has evolved. At Lincoln Center I saw all these hipsters texting, but My girl who just launched a blog pointed out that all those people I believed to be texting were all using social media to communicate all around the world with visual images and text. Welcome to the future, and I applaud Leica if they have the vision to create and promote the future.
Two and a half years ago I remember all the bashing with the rumors about a Monochrome camera... Many called that idea stupid back then. HA-HA.
How about this: Leica invents a Blue tooth camera that uses cloud technology and this is the reason why only raw files come out of the camera. Perhaps not good if you live in the Adorandacks or some wilderness, but for fast paced urban dwellers (a growing demographic) it is mighty cool.
THINK OUT OF THE BOX. I admire Leica for being truely creative.
Cal
Timmyjoe
Veteran
I'd love to have a digital Leica, with no LCD, a shutter speed dial that had a setting for aperture priority auto, an ISO dial, a built in light meter that read in the viewfinder, and a shutter button, and that's it. Outputting RAW files. I guess it would be an M7, but digital.
That's how I always used my M8.2, LCD off, aperture priority auto, set the ISO, set the aperture for the DOF I wanted, and shot. Very simple.
Might make me buy another Leica digital.
Best,
-Tim
That's how I always used my M8.2, LCD off, aperture priority auto, set the ISO, set the aperture for the DOF I wanted, and shot. Very simple.
Might make me buy another Leica digital.
Best,
-Tim
Timmyjoe
Veteran
Cal,
I hear what you are saying about the WiFi. When I'm covering sports, we now have to "tweet" images to the paper's Twitter hashtag at the beginning of every game, and then right after we submit our shots. Right now I use my Nikon 1 V2 for the twitter pics at the beginning of the game (because it is WiFi enabled), and after I've downloaded the images from my work camera and sent them in, I grab one or two and tweet those directly from my computer. But being able to tweet pics on the fly is now pretty much required of any event coverage.
Best,
-Tim
I hear what you are saying about the WiFi. When I'm covering sports, we now have to "tweet" images to the paper's Twitter hashtag at the beginning of every game, and then right after we submit our shots. Right now I use my Nikon 1 V2 for the twitter pics at the beginning of the game (because it is WiFi enabled), and after I've downloaded the images from my work camera and sent them in, I grab one or two and tweet those directly from my computer. But being able to tweet pics on the fly is now pretty much required of any event coverage.
Best,
-Tim
kshapero
South Florida Man
I want one and I want someone else to pay for it. Takers?
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Tim,
I'm totally old school, but I really saw the future in an eye opening way.
Even though I'm an old film guy who went to art school in the 70's it is pretty apparent that another communications revolution is underway. Social Media and blogging is restructuring society.
If Leica's M-60 uses Bluetooth and is intergrated into say an oversized Iphone, I'd have to consider getting one. I really learned this past week that the world is not that big. Basically I want in. Also know that "Maggie" benefits because she is a blogger.
Cal
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Way back when the M9 was brand new, "Maggie" my gal offered to buy me one, but I didn't want to take advantage of her.
This time might be different. LOL.
Cal
Godfrey
somewhat colored
The problem is that the digital sensor stack is much thicker than a pressure plate and film gate. And the shutter and mount register has to be in front of that. If you look at the Sony A7 body, which is about the same thickness as an M4-2, the image plane is 10mm closer to the front of the body, thus the 19mm register distance. The Leica mount register is 28mm or so, so the body has to be about 10mm thicker for the digital models to work with the M-bayonet lenses.
Given constraints like these, I think they've done a darn good job. I'm not sure I want a digital camera lacking the LCD and easy access to all the settings, but Leica is catering to those who have been pining away for a simplified digital camera. The M9 and M (Type 240) are simple enough for me. ;-)
On the other hand, people will surely complain no matter what they do (or don't do)
For sure. It's the tiresome nonsense that happens on every enthusiast board. Someone else said it best, "Any Leica announcement is a divisive moment."
G
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
BTW there was another/earlier thread that proposed making a screenless version of the Monochrom that is somewhat related, but in that thread I defended the screen because the 1% clipping indicators and the 9-zone histogram that Leica created is such a useful tool for proper exposure which with the Monochrom is much more critical.
Cal
Cal
VertovSvilova
Well-known
fwiw, one can do this with any modern Nikon DSLR (D4, D800, etc..) Everything can be read in the viewfinder and set by the front and rear command dials with the LCD turned off. One really only needs to get into the LCD menu when setting the camera up initially.
I think most digital cameras can be "turned off" for the most part and used like a film camera. For things like setting auto ISO or file type, etc.. that could be implemented with WiFi and a smartphone app in a camera designed without an LCD panel.
And I agree that while a histogram is convenient, it isn't required. We've been using mental histograms for different films all this time, and digital can be done the same way. And anyway with digital it's so easy to bracket without any concern of using up 'too many' frames....
kaiwasoyokaze
Half Frame Goodness
this news is interesting ALSO if they put back the film advance lever on...heck, you could even put back the cloth shutter and 1/1000th speed and i wouldnt mind.... oh, maybe replace the sensor with film and.....