airfrogusmc
Veteran
I think everyone has missed something else that the M60 brings to the market that no one has mentioned here other than the lack of an LCD.
I for one would like to try using such a camera without the LCD but what Leica has done with the M60 is they now have the hardware and firmware to make a M240 with or without the LCD that does not include video and the EVF option.
Call it the M-E version of the current model and be able to sell it at a lower price for those of us with no interest in video and using adapters and liveview.
Exactly!!!!
Godfrey
somewhat colored
There is that, Duane.
My primary interest in the M (Type 240) is its additional responsiveness over the M9. And the M Edition 60 model's enforced simplicity is very appealing to me.
However, I suspect that when it comes to digging in my pocket for the nickels, I'll likely want to go with the M-P model instead because the Live View and other capabilities expand its versatility by quite a lot.
My inner Magpie struggles back and forth with rational complexity and minimalistic purity... ;-)
G
My primary interest in the M (Type 240) is its additional responsiveness over the M9. And the M Edition 60 model's enforced simplicity is very appealing to me.
However, I suspect that when it comes to digging in my pocket for the nickels, I'll likely want to go with the M-P model instead because the Live View and other capabilities expand its versatility by quite a lot.
My inner Magpie struggles back and forth with rational complexity and minimalistic purity... ;-)
G
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Sorry but I do not agree. Anyone who uses his camera to satisfy customers is free to ignore this camera model. A most reasonable decision.
But in my case it is financially irrelevant if I blow highlights because I work just for myself.
Sounds like we agree, then. That's darned close to what I wrote. It is a camera marketed to people who don't need to rely on their camera to deliver critical images every. single. time.
For amateurs and bauble collectors, in other words.
Kwesi
Well-known
Sounds like we agree, then. That's darned close to what I wrote. It is a camera marketed to people who don't need to rely on their camera to deliver critical images every. single. time.
For amateurs and bauble collectors, in other words.
archeophoto
I love 1950's quality
I think in the next edition they should leave away the lightmeter for an additional $2000. And for another $1500 you can have a stylish Sunny 16 table on the top in brushed titanium a la carte: The customer can choose the font.
Duane Pandorf
Well-known
There is that, Duane.
My primary interest in the M (Type 240) is its additional responsiveness over the M9. And the M Edition 60 model's enforced simplicity is very appealing to me.
However, I suspect that when it comes to digging in my pocket for the nickels, I'll likely want to go with the M-P model instead because the Live View and other capabilities expand its versatility by quite a lot.
My inner Magpie struggles back and forth with rational complexity and minimalistic purity... ;-)
G
I completely understand Godfrey. Choice and options are the best. I think it's pretty amazing a small company like Leica is willing to do something so different.
Kwesi
Well-known
I think everyone has missed something else that the M60 brings to the market that no one has mentioned here other than the lack of an LCD.
I for one would like to try using such a camera without the LCD but what Leica has done with the M60 is they now have the hardware and firmware to make a M240 with or without the LCD that does not include video and the EVF option.
Call it the M-E version of the current model and be able to sell it at a lower price for those of us with no interest in video and using adapters and liveview.
Agreed Duane,
I actually alluded to this earlier in post #162 but i think whats even more interesting is Leica's quiet campaign to get us to recognize that the most "essential" part of the process is the photograph, not the camera. A pretty gutsy move for a very small camera company. In this quest, the camera must do all it can to get out of the way.
This dawned on me when I saw photos of the Leica Photo exhibition at Photokina.
Duane Pandorf
Well-known
Agreed Duane,
I actually alluded to this earlier in post #162 but i think whats even more interesting is Leica's quiet campaign to get us to recognize that the most "essential" part of the process is the photograph, not the camera. A pretty gutsy move for a very small camera company. In this quest, the camera must do all it can to get out of the way.
This dawned on me when I saw photos of the Leica Photo exhibition at Photokina.
Completely agree.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Sounds like we agree, then. That's darned close to what I wrote. It is a camera marketed to people who don't need to rely on their camera to deliver critical images every. single. time.
For amateurs and bauble collectors, in other words.
I am a full time professional and have been for decades and i shot have with Hasselblad 500 C/Ms and Deardorfs for decades and did just fine. I would buy one, maybe two if the body were priced in the ME range.
jschrader
Well-known
Sounds like we agree, then. That's darned close to what I wrote. It is a camera marketed to people who don't need to rely on their camera to deliver critical images every. single. time.
For amateurs and bauble collectors, in other words.
Well, now that I re-read you post, I agree we agree.
jschrader
Well-known
how did wedding photographers survive before digital?
Customers knew that not every shot was 100%.
Now, they expect 100%. Probably, it was easier to survive in the film era.
jschrader
Well-known
I am a full time professional and have been for decades and i shot have with Hasselblad 500 C/Ms and Deardorfs for decades and did just fine. I would buy one, maybe two if the body were priced in the ME range.
Is it possible you are quite alone out there? :angel:
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Is it possible you are quite alone out there? :angel:
I was told that about the Monochrom to....
Sean Reid / Reid Reviews has a test sample of this camera and has put up a preliminary review on his pay site. Interesting reading, with descriptions of how it works. Like... how can it format an SD card? It appears Leica has done a very good job dealing the varied consequences of removing the screen and related controls.
Lss
Well-known
That's one con off the list then, but I cannot be conned to pay 30USD just to know how.Sean Reid / Reid Reviews has a test sample of this camera and has put up a preliminary review on his pay site. Interesting reading, with descriptions of how it works. Like... how can it format an SD card?
FrozenInTime
Well-known
That's one con off the list then, but I cannot be conned to pay 30USD just to know how.![]()
<OT> As a past subscriber, I will say his content is good and interesting to read - think of it like a magazine subscription.
But the agony for trying to read large text in a tiny flash window was maddening, so I stopped.
It was impossible to see an example image and the accompanying text at the same time ( see link below for screenshot ).
It is also impossible to view off-line or on a iPad.
http://www.reidreviews.com/rrscreenshot.htm
He has been talking about moving to secure pdf for 5 years ...
Quote from 2009 e-mail:
"In an effort to improve the interface of Reid Reviews, I am currently considering adding a second (beta) version of the site which would present the articles as PDF files.
For security reasons, the content still could not be copied or printed but the new format might offer the following advantages over the current flash format."
Quote from 2014 e-mail
"Request For A "Think Tank" Group To Discuss Site Format:
There has long been a lot of interest in having Reid Reviews be accessible on iOS devices such as the iPad.
And the iPad, of course, does not directly support the Flash format the site is written in.
What I would ideally like to find, and this is by no means simple or easy, is a content delivery mode that includes a degree of content protection
(which is essential for a site funded by subscribers instead of advertisers) but which is also accessible on Mac, Windows, iOS and Android.
As one very experience programmer told me recently: "Finding something like that is like finding the Holy Grail." But maybe it is possible."
Jim Evidon
Jim
Nr90
Newbie
No LCD, no menu, no jpegs. Just like your M3 except it's digital. So back to basics. Without all of the superfluous features, you think the price is less, don't you.
MSRP $18,000 + ! Better hurry. They're making only 600 of them.![]()
I asked a local Leica dealer if he thought they'd sell quickly. He's getting two and apparently they're all sold out.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
According to Forbes magazine there are currently 1,645 billionaires on this planet so god only knows how many millionaires are lurking in the bottom of the tank!
To a lot of people this camera is a mere trinket.
To a lot of people this camera is a mere trinket.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
When I first heard of this camera, or even the concept, I couldn't understand the appeal. In some ways I still can't quite. However it's now very apparent that many do find the concept appealing. Fair enough, then, I guess. I've tried to understand and got part-way there. It's still not for me but that's fine and I hope Leica does produce a non-collector incarnation for those who will appreciate it. Why not? If the demand is there and people will enjoy their use of the camera I'm all in favour. it's not as if Leica is likely to withdraw the M(-P) type 240...
...Mike
...Mike
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