Leica M11 Information

[ptpdprinter]

Spotted this in my newsfeed today:

https://www.techradar.com/news/leic...roversial-design-tweak-for-rangefinder-camera

 

[Evergreen States]

Holy cats it took them long enough. Maintaining bottom loading was a stupid decision at the time of the M3 and it's even more stupid to have carried it into cameras that don't even load film.

 

[keytarjunkie]

I've been following the rumors, and it looks like a pretty minimal update. But then again, the M10 is such a great camera, why fix things that aren't broken? The variable RAW resolution, if true, is an interesting idea. Other mirrorless users are getting hot and heavy over eye-AF and high framerates, meanwhile the Leica crowd is excited over an integrated battery door. Well, to each their own.

 

[ptpdprinter]

A 60MP sensor is something to write home about. Are they getting it from Sony? I have forgotten who made the 40MP sensor in the M10-R and the 47MP sensor in the Q2.

No mention about carrying forward the thumb rest.

 

[Rob-F]

Maintaining bottom loading was a stupid decision at the time of the M3 and it's even more stupid to have carried it into cameras that don't even load film.

It was done for a good reason. The bottom loading was done to increase rigidity, so as to maintain high precision alignment of the film tracks and pressure plate. Continuing to use the baseplate with the M8, M9, and M10 was less necessary, although I think it results in a cleaner design to not have little rubber flappers; and I feel it helps protect the SD card and battery.

 

[Rob-F]

I've been following the rumors, and it looks like a pretty minimal update. But then again, the M10 is such a great camera, why fix things that aren't broken? The variable RAW resolution, if true, is an interesting idea. Other mirrorless users are getting hot and heavy over eye-AF and high framerates, meanwhile the Leica crowd is excited over an integrated battery door. Well, to each their own.

My sentiments exactly. Why fix things that are not broken? I don't see anything to get excited about. At what point did the frame selector lever disappear? I'm glad my M9s have it.

 

[Rob-F]

A 60MP sensor is something to write home about. Are they getting it from Sony? I have forgotten who made the 40MP sensor in the M10-R and the 47MP sensor in the Q2.

No mention about carrying forward the thumb rest.

Do we really need 60MP? I was under the impression that the 18MP of my M9s is enough to pretty well take advantage of my ASPH/APO lenses, and more than enough for my non- or pre-ASPH ones. Well, I suppose the pros among us can take advantage of 60MP for making really big enlargements. Shouldn't Leica continue a model that can be sold at lower price for us amateurs? Many have printers that don't go above 11 x 17.

 

[ptpdprinter]

Do we really need 60MP? I was under the impression that the 18MP of my M9s is enough to pretty well take advantage of my ASPH/APO lenses, and more than enough for my non- or pre-ASPH ones. Well, I suppose the pros among us can take advantage of 60MP for making really big enlargements. Shouldn't Leica continue a model that can be sold at lower price for us amateurs? Many have printers that don't go above 11 x 17.

I think it is a good thing for Leica's new model to have a current sensor instead of one that is two generations behind. Of course, if you are not printing but merely posting online, almost anything, including your phone, is good enough.

 

[jsrockit]

Do we really need 60MP? I was under the impression that the 18MP of my M9s is enough to pretty well take advantage of my ASPH/APO lenses, and more than enough for my non- or pre-ASPH ones. Well, I suppose the pros among us can take advantage of 60MP for making really big enlargements.

Maybe you do not need it, but Leica has to make it for those that do.

Shouldn't Leica continue a model that can be sold at lower price for us amateurs? Many have printers that don't go above 11 x 17.

Leica is never going to sell a cheap M again... at 300dpi, 60mp is about a 20x30" print. This is not big in the gallery or museum setting these days.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Maybe you do not need it, but Leica has to make it for those that do.



Leica is never going to sell a cheap M again... at 300dpi, 60mp is about a 20x30" print. This is not big in the gallery or museum setting these days.

99% don’t need 60MP, nor they have anything to do with galleries and museums. But many are just lazy to frame instead of crop.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

But, where are lazy ass manufacturers too.
Nor lazy are giving choice which size of RAW to choose, not just jpeg sizes. But I think Lcag is incapable of doing it.

 

[Evergreen States]

I have forgotten who made the 40MP sensor in the M10-R and the 47MP sensor in the Q2.

I believe it was Tower Jazz

 

[Evergreen States]

Do we really need 60MP? I was under the impression that the 18MP of my M9s is enough to pretty well take advantage of my ASPH/APO lenses, and more than enough for my non- or pre-ASPH ones. Well, I suppose the pros among us can take advantage of 60MP for making really big enlargements. Shouldn't Leica continue a model that can be sold at lower price for us amateurs? Many have printers that don't go above 11 x 17.

I don't disagree on your point that 60MP is extravagant, but printed at the same sizes, your 60MP pictures will not show any more motion blur or focus errors than your 18MP pictures.

 

[cboy]

The higher MP is supposed to future proof the camera when we all enevitably all upgrade how we consume our images in the digital age by mostly viewing them in 8k monitors and not 300dpi prints. I won't be surprised future digital canvases...But in the meantime extravagant

 

[jsrockit]

99% don’t need 60MP, nor they have anything to do with galleries and museums. But many are just lazy to frame instead of crop.

That might be true, but Leica has to use what is current to cater to those types. You always build a camera for best case scenario, not worse. The rest of the people can just deal with it. It is no big deal really.

 

[jsrockit]

I don't disagree on your point that 60MP is extravagant, but printed at the same sizes, your 60MP pictures will not show any more motion blur or focus errors than your 18MP pictures.

Exactly, they might even show less if you print the 18mp photo at 300dpi at full size.

 

[ptpdprinter]

You don't hear too many Phase One users complain about motion blur and focus errors with their 100MP and 150MP sensors. The large prints made with Phase One cameras I have seen are phenomenally sharp.

 

[35photo]

You don't hear too many Phase One users complain about motion blur and focus errors with their 100MP and 150MP sensors. The large prints made with Phase One cameras I have seen are phenomenally sharp.

Have you have used a Phase One camera?? Those meant to be used on tripods not handheld like Leica's are.... I mean you could use a Leica on a tripod but 99.99% of Leica shooters shoot handheld I would guess..

 

[ptpdprinter]

Have you have used a Phase One camera?? Those meant to be used on tripods not handheld like Leica's are.... I mean you could use a Leica on a tripod but 99.99% of Leica shooters shoot handheld I would guess..

Are you suggesting that Leica users should use low resolution sensors so their camera motion and focus errors are masked? Has Leica done a disservice to its customers by moving from 18MP to 24MP to 40MP to now 60MP?

 

[Ko.Fe.]

That might be true, but Leica has to use what is current to cater to those types. You always build a camera for best case scenario, not worse. The rest of the people can just deal with it. It is no big deal really.

Again, if not lazy ass manufacturer, it is done smart and without discriminating against of total majority way. Which is different RAW sizes in camera.

Huge flies are just waste of time and disk space for majority. I wouldn't call it as the best case scenario at all.
It is worse case. And not "just deal with it". Why majority has to deal with some very few needs...